Too Difficult and Unbalanced

I killed boss1 Eikthyr with no great problem, but now I have no real progress.
Meanwhile I have a complete troll armor, but very less copper and bronze.
Each time I try to mine copper or chop a tree, at troll appears, all in a relative small location.
I killed 13 of them, don’t ask how. I am about to quit this game.
9:13 pm, February 25, 2023
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ling.speed replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 26, 2023 @ 5:40:55 am PST

Might be some *very* peculiar map location, mob spawns are pretty random (besides the static ones, that diappear after getting cleared once).

I had that happen once in mistlands, a place where every new day a big mob spawned consistently. It happened nowhere else. So yeah you just got RNGd.

Tbh most of us here would salivate at the thought of a troll spawner like that. Infinite resources, infinite workers to dig copper or chop trees with. Just perfect.:yukari5:


As for swamp, sound travels far. If you make too much noise things will slowly gather around you. So you either kill it fast enough till its clear or find a calm initial location.

As for spawners they often come in groups. That is 2+1 being one location and there is good chance there will be few more of those 2+1 in proximity. Its again all RNG thou. There are places that are really chill for quite a long distance.

Best is to carefuly scout the area from afar and dont jump in at first "nice looking landing spot". Find a neighbouring biome, land there and go into the swamp on foot.


The downside of all that are difficulty spikes and what looks like poor balance, the upside is replayability. In fact each time i start new world i end up liking swamps more and more. Its all about experiance.
3:13 pm, February 26, 2023
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Humpenstilzchen replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 26, 2023 @ 5:50:39 am PST

Originally posted by ling.speed:
As for swamp, sound travels far. If you make too much noise things will slowly gather around you. So you either kill it fast enough till its clear or find a calm initial location.
This is not the whole truth. You are right that sound travels far, but that applies to all biomes and all enemy types. They hear very well. There is one thing special about swamps and that is that draugr and skelletons start to move into your direction without knowing you are there. I have tested this in sneak mode and they accurately followed me despite not seeing and hearing me. In my opinion this is an unfair and cheap mechanic that completely invalidates sneaking. Graydwarfes do the same btw. It sucks.

So long story short: When you get to a certain distance to mobs in the swamp they will head to you inevitably and that is one factor why the swamps are difficult for newbies who don´t know this and wonder why they are being swarmed.
3:13 pm, February 26, 2023
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Cap'n Bells replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 6:43:28 pm PST

I can only think that spending a fair bit of time in your base is letting Trolls respawn again, so if you killed local trolls and then mined you should have no interruptions except GD;s etc. for a reasonable time... But this game encourages you to level up gear at every opportunity. but that said my main base in in meadows adjacent to a lot of BF,
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Rhapsody replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 1:13:46 pm PST

Originally posted by FissionChips:
Oh to have that problem, usually I get annoyed at how long it takes to find enough for armour.

Good point. I've only ever made one set of troll leather until recently when I made another and was surprised how much (not really much at all, but more than I had on hand) leather it took. A blessing in disguise?
12:13 am, February 26, 2023
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TheQuixote replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 1:25:59 pm PST

Just had a ground is shaking while I was tending my pig farm.

Trolls killed them all. Ran out shoot arrows at them, tried to pull them away. Nope.

Game just said, "All that time you've spent getting your pig farm up. FU, do it again."

It's a great game, but there are way too many instances of this type of gratuitously wasting players time for no damn reason.
12:13 am, February 26, 2023
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Humpenstilzchen replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 1:31:39 pm PST

Originally posted by TheQuixote:
Just had a ground is shaking while I was tending my pig farm.

Trolls killed them all. Ran out shoot arrows at them, tried to pull them away. Nope.

Game just said, "All that time you've spent getting your pig farm up. FU, do it again."

It's a great game, but there are way too many instances of this type of gratuitously wasting players time for no damn reason.
True. I wish raid mobs wouldn´t focus on lifestock so much. The only way to prevent this is making sure that enemies can´t see your lifestock so wall them in and put a roof on top.
12:13 am, February 26, 2023
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Zep Tepi replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 1:55:08 pm PST

You could try looking for a different black forest location. Trolls are supposed to be uncommon. You probably had some bad rng with the spawners where you are. They do show up unexpectedly, but not every time you go out. Most people have to go looking for them to upgrade their troll armor fully (or as far as the workbench will let you at that level).
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morrokain10587 replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 3:46:32 pm PST

Bad rng is not just during raids.

I just had a situation in the swamp that has caused me to rage quit for a bit.

In what was about a stamina bar sprint with carrot soup, deer stew, and boar jerky I killed around:

25+ draugr some one starred
12+ skeletons at least two of them two starred and several one starred
5+ leeches
2 blobs

in one tiny location of the swamp. I get that this game is also multiplayer, but thats too many concentrated enemies for someone without gear from the zone. (There were also the fire things but they at least stay around the flame spout so I could comfortably ignore them.)

Full story:

I accidently sailed too close to the swamp without poison mead and died from leech poison while defending my boat. Ok that makes sense time to go get the corpse.

So I try to go to the location on foot making sure I bring lv 2 troll armor (best I can get since I havent boated scrap iron back yet) plenty of arrows, a bronze sword, and a bone tower shield - all upgraded as much as they can be for where I'm at. And the best food and meads I have. I wasn't playing around.

6 dead body piles and 2 evil bone piles - many of them mostly surrounded by deep water since this is at the northern shore of the location. Even in clusters of 2-3 all were within aggro range of each other.

So thats a minimum of 6 draugr and 2 skeletons constantly spawning as I kill them.

I take care of the piles but have to use a stamina mead. Then elite draugr from a nearby body pile barely within sight distance close in on my location from the noise, it turns to night so a bunch of other draugr and skeletons spawn as well as some blobs spawn basically around me as I'm fighting.

I take a hit from the 1 star elite because Im low on stamina at this point. I should have known to pop Eikthyr then but chose a hasty healing mead instead. I see at this point that my poison resistance is at 30 seconds remaining from the time it took to travel and kill all the stuff. With all the archers and blobs and an elite chasing me down I quite literally couldn't take a moment to drink more poison resistance mead or I'd take too many hits.

I carefully manage my stamina while blocking arrows and trying to stay out of the water and kill the elite and several more skeletons and then two of now three blobs closing in. But now I'm poisoned without resistance. I run a tiny bit north away from the last blob and remaining archers and oh great ANOTHER elite from ANOTHER body pile I apparently didn't see.

I try to drink the poison resistance mead but its too late and I die again.

BS. I guess I should just be grateful an abomination didn't spawn on top of it all. Thats what I would have used Eikthyr on.
12:13 am, February 26, 2023
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Faceplant8 replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 4:00:43 pm PST

Find a new location. I haven't had that experience, but I certainly have had locations that spawned too many greydwarf. If it's bad RNG, finding a new location should improve the situation. If not, there's some other cause because what you describe is not normal.
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morrokain10587 replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 4:10:25 pm PST

Originally posted by Faceplant8:
Find a new location. I haven't had that experience, but I certainly have had locations that spawned too many greydwarf. If it's bad RNG, finding a new location should improve the situation. If not, there's some other cause because what you describe is not normal.

Believe me I would if I didn't have a corpse and boat there. I may just abandon it anyway except for the fact that the spawners shouldn't come back so it might be a lot easier now when I try again.

But yeah while my other trips into the swamp were dangerous that was the first time I ever felt like it was that difficult. I wonder if it was because it was a shore and water caused the spawners to be a lot closer than they normally would or something.

It should also be noted that I am running the game without mods at the moment, but when I first started the world seed it was with a couple of mods. That could have messed with things too though I was under the impression that the area wouldn't fully generate until I was nearby so that would still be unmodded if true.
12:13 am, February 26, 2023
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Rhapsody replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 6:01:44 am PST

Doesn't sound like normal troll spawning conditions. But just in case you're going to mining at night, it's best to avoid doing that.
9:13 pm, February 25, 2023
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Cap'n Bells replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 7:15:22 am PST

solo or MP? i have never had this problem solo.. sounds like a difficulty setting or some mod?
9:13 pm, February 25, 2023
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si-conzelmann replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 7:54:01 am PST

Singleplayer and no mod.
9:13 pm, February 25, 2023
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Humpenstilzchen replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 8:21:08 am PST

Sounds like a lot of bad luck but it´s good that you have the trol larmor now, it´s a good choice in the beginning. Don´t worry, you´ll soon laugh about trolls when you progress further. Don´t give up.

Did you know that you can utilize trolls to mine copper and tin ore for you?
9:13 pm, February 25, 2023
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FissionChips replied to Too Difficult and Unbalanced February 25, 2023 @ 11:16:32 am PST

Oh to have that problem, usually I get annoyed at how long it takes to find enough for armour.
9:13 pm, February 25, 2023
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