Yes, I agree with those points. My take on it is that fish&bread is a placeholder/sample of what may come for additional recipes. I hope that is true, else its just extra dumb, as noted above. We can hope that maybe there would be a couple of fish-based stamina stews or a eitr fish.

And I agree the trader lock is a frustration.

It absolutely needs work; this felt like a half-complete change pending future additions to it. The inventory vs quality mess is a huge problem. I remain neutral on the harpoon, but all in all, it would hurt nothing to enable it and make people happy.

And I still enjoy it once in a while as a break from combat and exploring. The key here is that once in a while part... I am fished out dealing with the new system, and done with it for a bit. I do have an angler hole and can get normal stuff near my main home, so its there when I decide to go again

I totally agree, viking fishing should have been better. I am not sure if harpoon should be able to catch smaller fish but bigger ones should be. Also there should've been other ways to catch fish like nets on ships or baskets. And, there should be a chance% to catch
something weird..
On top of that, needing a cauldron to cut fish is stupid considering we could cook it instantly and survive on long trips before, but now we have to return to kitchen to eat cooked fish...

Well is this warframe or is this valheim???? Pretty sure it's valheim

It is a joke... but after 20-30 minutes I have enough to make like 30 fish wraps which is all I care about at the moment. It's the worst part about this game to be honest it's terrible.. but at the same time you get a lot in a little time.

its a bad system they need to completely rethink. Also tiering the fish to bait from the previous biome is a horrible, horrible design decision, ESPECIALLY since there's basically no benefit to those fish until you get to the angler fish for fish n bread, as you make fish wraps with any gutted fish regardless of what you caught, no special recipes with any of the fish except the very last one you can catch. It's not interesting and not worth the hassle.

Also, it can be circumvented entirely by just making fish traps in the Mistlands, there, days of fishing for better bait over and over saved. :D Please think this over Irongate, if you're going to put fishing in the game it needs to be meaningful.

Originally posted by Entity Mystik:

You don't need cooked fish to kill Eikthyr, that is a silly concept and the reasoning behind why you can't just instantly craft a rod (as well as why you need a kettle to break fish down now)

As far as harpooning goes the simple reason is the bait system would have no reason to exist if you could spear whatever you want out of the water. Some can argue that the bait system is silly and that's fine, but at the end of the day fishing is a completely optional activity for those that enjoy it.

So if you are sitting waiting for a change to the fishing system to let you craft rods or spear/harpoon fish, I am extremely doubtful it will happen. It would not make sense unless they completely revamped the system.

Fishing is extremely bare bones as is, I can’t think of any reason why anybody would find Valheim’s version of fishing “enjoyable” in any sense lol.

RDR2 probably has the best fishing in any game that is not specifically centered around it, and that’s not to say I expect that much detail in this game, but it has a long way to go…

Originally posted by Entity Mystik:

You don't need cooked fish to kill Eikthyr, that is a silly concept and the reasoning behind why you can't just instantly craft a rod (as well as why you need a kettle to break fish down now)

As far as harpooning goes the simple reason is the bait system would have no reason to exist if you could spear whatever you want out of the water. Some can argue that the bait system is silly and that's fine, but at the end of the day fishing is a completely optional activity for those that enjoy it.

So if you are sitting waiting for a change to the fishing system to let you craft rods or spear/harpoon fish, I am extremely doubtful it will happen. It would not make sense unless they completely revamped the system.

"you don't need cooked fish to kill elkthyr" cooked fish matches cooked wolf meat in stats, which is mountain food, the fourth tier of progression in the game, no player ever has said "oh boy, i sure am glad im running around with just boar meat and berries".

Bait would have more than enough reason to exist if fishing rods were craftable, because to make a harpoon you need to make at the very least a karve to go into the ocean, so enter into bronze progression, and then FIND a leviathan somewhere at random in the world which is a 1% chance of spawning in ocean cells, its (now) even rarer than finding Haldor with his ten current potential spawns, used to be even more stupid only having one haldor in the entire world gen period.

So which one is it, is it reasonable to make the player scour the world to find one particular item of utility to fish or is it not? or is it just whatever is convenient to defend the game.

And yes, making fishing good by revamping the system is exactly my argument, they did some changes in mistlands and wasted a lot of opportunities to make it GOOD.

two years later the amount of copium and mental gymnastics in these forums is still the exact same.

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Originally posted by Entity Mystik:

You don't need cooked fish to kill Eikthyr, that is a silly concept and the reasoning behind why you can't just instantly craft a rod (as well as why you need a kettle to break fish down now)

As far as harpooning goes the simple reason is the bait system would have no reason to exist if you could spear whatever you want out of the water. Some can argue that the bait system is silly and that's fine, but at the end of the day fishing is a completely optional activity for those that enjoy it.

So if you are sitting waiting for a change to the fishing system to let you craft rods or spear/harpoon fish, I am extremely doubtful it will happen. It would not make sense unless they completely revamped the system.

Fishing is extremely bare bones as is, I can’t think of any reason why anybody would find Valheim’s version of fishing “enjoyable” in any sense lol.

RDR2 probably has the best fishing in any game that is not specifically centered around it, and that’s not to say I expect that much detail in this game, but it has a long way to go…

if only you knew the things i've seen in these forums, absolute madness.

Originally posted by D a R i U z Z:

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Fishing is extremely bare bones as is, I can’t think of any reason why anybody would find Valheim’s version of fishing “enjoyable” in any sense lol.

RDR2 probably has the best fishing in any game that is not specifically centered around it, and that’s not to say I expect that much detail in this game, but it has a long way to go…

if only you knew the things i've seen in these forums, absolute madness.

I’ve seen plenty, I’m well aware how some parts of the community can’t handle criticism or suggestions of any kind lol.

you guys are arguing over fishing in game that isn't a fishing game.....

Originally posted by Johnny:

you guys are arguing over fishing in game that isn't a fishing game.....

What is this game then? It’s not a farming game or a building game, yet these exist… What’s your point?

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Originally posted by Entity Mystik:

You don't need cooked fish to kill Eikthyr, that is a silly concept and the reasoning behind why you can't just instantly craft a rod (as well as why you need a kettle to break fish down now)

As far as harpooning goes the simple reason is the bait system would have no reason to exist if you could spear whatever you want out of the water. Some can argue that the bait system is silly and that's fine, but at the end of the day fishing is a completely optional activity for those that enjoy it.

So if you are sitting waiting for a change to the fishing system to let you craft rods or spear/harpoon fish, I am extremely doubtful it will happen. It would not make sense unless they completely revamped the system.

Fishing is extremely bare bones as is, I can’t think of any reason why anybody would find Valheim’s version of fishing “enjoyable” in any sense lol.

RDR2 probably has the best fishing in any game that is not specifically centered around it, and that’s not to say I expect that much detail in this game, but it has a long way to go…

Ill weigh in on it as I enjoy fishing here. The point is similar to real life fishing -- you are not actually trying to catch fish, usually, so much as find a nice place to enjoy nature and put down your cares for a little while. Tired of the mistland fog or little green men from mars or blue eyed creepy zombie dwarves throwing rocks at you? Find a quiet place and drop a line. The scenery on the coasts here can be amazing. If you catch some, you get some gyros (still an easy to make food mistland capable) or cooked fish (good enough to gather resources or mess around, no fuss to make). If not, meh.

As far as spearing them goes: given that we can simply PICK UP any fish in the game REGULARLY by walking the coast, being able to HIT one and reel it in with a harpoon seems like something they should add. Bait system or no bait system, the hoe-made fishtrap or natural suicidal jumpers trump any argument against another way to score fish.

That said, warframe has spearfishing, and its free to play, if you just want to go spear fishing in VR.

Originally posted by jonnin:

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Fishing is extremely bare bones as is, I can’t think of any reason why anybody would find Valheim’s version of fishing “enjoyable” in any sense lol.

RDR2 probably has the best fishing in any game that is not specifically centered around it, and that’s not to say I expect that much detail in this game, but it has a long way to go…

Ill weigh in on it as I enjoy fishing here. The point is similar to real life fishing -- you are not actually trying to catch fish, usually, so much as find a nice place to enjoy nature and put down your cares for a little while. Tired of the mistland fog or little green men from mars or blue eyed creepy zombie dwarves throwing rocks at you? Find a quiet place and drop a line. The scenery on the coasts here can be amazing. If you catch some, you get some gyros (still an easy to make food mistland capable) or cooked fish (good enough to gather resources or mess around, no fuss to make). If not, meh.

As far as spearing them goes: given that we can simply PICK UP any fish in the game REGULARLY by walking the coast, being able to HIT one and reel it in with a harpoon seems like something they should add. Bait system or no bait system, the hoe-made fishtrap or natural suicidal jumpers trump any argument against another way to score fish.

That said, warframe has spearfishing, and its free to play, if you just want to go spear fishing in VR.

If I want to drop a line and enjoy the view, I’ll go do that IRL (which I won’t be able to do for at least another 5 months).

I’ll lay out my own personal issues with fishing currently;

A).Having it tied directly to stamina is a weird and annoying way to do it, especially since your stamina does not regen when you cease reeling it in, and how the fish just drops off the line when your stamina runs out.

B).Having to find the merchant first, which can take a long time without mods or cheats.

C).Not being able to kill a fish with a bow or a spear…

Now, if “balance” is a worry, then several things can be done to accommodate that;

1). Fish meat quality is worse if it was caught with a spear or bow, which would give a lower bonus.

2). Meat quality is based on the size/type of fish you catch, so the basic small meadow fish could just give similar/slightly worse stats to boar meat.

Boom, more depth added without making this game a fishing sim.

I agreee that fishing is a mess, and it was just (IMO) just made worse in the mistlands update. Tieing fishing (or anything) to the trader is ridiculous (IMO), and adding the different fish type and sizes just made inventory management that much worse. The couple of times that I tried fishing (ignoring the big ones that got away because I only have 100 or so stamina), I lost half the fish because it required yet another inventory slot that I didn't have available.

On the positive side, I have been kept fairly well stocked with random pickups, which is essentially free food.

You don't need cooked fish to kill Eikthyr, that is a silly concept and the reasoning behind why you can't just instantly craft a rod (as well as why you need a kettle to break fish down now)

As far as harpooning goes the simple reason is the bait system would have no reason to exist if you could spear whatever you want out of the water. Some can argue that the bait system is silly and that's fine, but at the end of the day fishing is a completely optional activity for those that enjoy it.

So if you are sitting waiting for a change to the fishing system to let you craft rods or spear/harpoon fish, I am extremely doubtful it will happen. It would not make sense unless they completely revamped the system.