Weight vs Slots

Love this game so far! It's truly great how simple and yet complex it is.
The only thing I feel could be improved is the inventory system.

Right now it uses both a weight system and a slot system with stacks.
Either way is fine, but both at the same time are just dumb in my opinion.

Why does 1 Raspberry take up the same "space" in my backpack as do 50kg worth of wooden planks? Conversely, how come Raspberries stack to 50 same as wood, but surtling stones are stack-capped at 10?

What I would prefer to happen:
1) Use weight only as a limiting factor
2) Remove stack sizes if technically bpossible, or just infinitely expand the inventory when more items are added to it (ok... Maybe but a sensible limit of maybe 50? slots to avoid code breaking)

This way we still need to manage our inventories, but we don't have to toss out things just to bring along small treasures like perls or rubies.

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Alternative: make some more dedicated item slots, for example a armor bar, food bar for storing things outside of the regular inventory. (Weight still applies to these of course)
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Boboscus replied to Weight vs Slots July 24, 2022 @ 9:29:35 am PDT

Having no weight would simply make you be able to carry 3-4 k loot, which is insanely unbalanced, having no slots would mean you can carry 100 different items if they are not as heavy, which again, is unbalanced as hell. This is fine, it's working fine, use a cart if you can't carry all of it.
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Invictus replied to Weight vs Slots February 26, 2021 @ 5:27:03 am PDT

Alternative has been denied in the official platform.

I would replace slots with volume, and eliminate stack size.
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Dapitbull replied to Weight vs Slots February 26, 2021 @ 5:30:18 am PDT

I think just adding character slots for gear would greatly improve inventory management. Like have armor slots, this would remove your pants, chest, helm, cape and belt which frees up enough space.
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DaWolv replied to Weight vs Slots February 28, 2021 @ 2:02:59 am PDT

It's just mainly food and valuables that take up more unnecessary slots relative to their size and weight.
Interested to see if we get an update on it soon.
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Nintendo replied to Weight vs Slots February 28, 2021 @ 2:55:20 am PDT

I agree, but it is very disappointing that they turned down the suggestion for giving us more slots by adding paperdoll for dedicated gear slots. We don't actually need that much slots, so freeing inventory slots from equipped gears should be a good start.

Imo Conan Exiles have clever implementation regarding carrying / equipping gears. equipped gears such as armor, legging, helm etc will half the carry weight because it is equipped, it is being worn on the body, while if carried in inventory will be full weight.

They have labeled the suggestion for paperdoll as NOT PLANNED.
https://valheimbugs.featureupvote.com/

But in Roadmap I see VENDOR INVENTORY EXPANSION which I guess is something to do with inventory slots, but too bad it is not priority, it's in the list of "if odin wills it" as if it's not gonna be looked at least until they finish with update 4. While inventory slots is actually a big issue. I really hate it when a game includes micromanaging itemdatabase very heavily to the point most of our time is spent doing exactly that. It's padding our playtime too damn much, managing database should be made simpler especially when done on a computer but no it's part of the game.

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Arran Chace replied to Weight vs Slots February 28, 2021 @ 3:50:14 am PDT

Originally posted by Invictus:
Alternative has been denied in the official platform.

I would replace slots with volume, and eliminate stack size.

Not the best idear, that proberbly make inventories even smaller, as for example 1 log would have alot of volume, while 1 feater hard takes any space.
Combine volume with weight, like in reality... and you proberly then run out of space with chopping a tree, while nowhere beeing over the weight limit.

Unless you suggesting to make everything the same volume, regardless their real projected ingame volume.. Like a log has the same volume as a berry.
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Tachyon replied to Weight vs Slots February 28, 2021 @ 4:08:17 am PDT

Until QOL tweaks eventually come along there are mods that add a paperdoll + 3 quick-slots, mods to decrease item weight and increase stack sizes, etc. Check NexusMods out.
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Caz replied to Weight vs Slots February 28, 2021 @ 4:21:37 am PDT

Originally posted by Tachyon:
Until QOL tweaks eventually come along there are mods that add a paperdoll + 3 quick-slots, mods to decrease item weight and increase stack sizes, etc. Check NexusMods out.
https://valheim.thunderstore.io/package/RandyKnapp/EquipmentAndQuickSlots/
A mod that adds slots that are basic features in 99% of games with gear.

I quoted Tachyon because he pointed out Nexus. Wanted both sources of mods in the same post. ;p
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Tachyon replied to Weight vs Slots February 28, 2021 @ 4:35:17 am PDT

Originally posted by Caz:
Originally posted by Tachyon:
Until QOL tweaks eventually come along there are mods that add a paperdoll + 3 quick-slots, mods to decrease item weight and increase stack sizes, etc. Check NexusMods out.
https://valheim.thunderstore.io/package/RandyKnapp/EquipmentAndQuickSlots/
A mod that adds slots that are basic features in 99% of games with gear.

I quoted Tachyon because he pointed out Nexus. Wanted both sources of mods in the same post. ;p

Oh, cheers, I didn't know about Thunderstore.
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Nintendo replied to Weight vs Slots February 28, 2021 @ 4:50:27 am PDT

Is that mod easy to enable/disable or uninstall ? in case it doesnt work with later later patch
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Tenoshii replied to Weight vs Slots March 6, 2021 @ 8:42:25 am PDT

Originally posted by DaWolv:
Right now it uses both a weight system and a slot system with stacks.
Either way is fine, but both at the same time are just dumb in my opinion.

It's a rudimentary way to simulate the limitation of both quantity and weight of items. The weight limit is there so people aren't sprinting around with 30 stacks of stone, wood or metal. The slot limit is there so they aren't running around with 350 weight worth of low weight/low stack size items, as it presents a magnified unrealistic volume of carry capacity.

If player inventory is too lenient in either capacity, then it reduces the relevance of stationary forms of storage.
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NightHero-Gaming replied to Weight vs Slots July 24, 2022 @ 6:04:49 am PDT

Originally posted by Dapitbull:
I think just adding character slots for gear would greatly improve inventory management. Like have armor slots, this would remove your pants, chest, helm, cape and belt which frees up enough space.
Agreed! Though the Devs also say no-
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morph113 replied to Weight vs Slots July 24, 2022 @ 6:10:05 am PDT

It's not meant to be realistic but rather done for balance reasons. I mean one alternative would be to be able to stack like 1000 berries in one slot. Or to only have 1 wood per slot. Both are equally bad alternatives. Game balancing isn't always about finding the most realistic setting but something that fits the gameplay best.
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blprice61 replied to Weight vs Slots July 24, 2022 @ 6:14:49 am PDT

Originally posted by morph113:
It's not meant to be realistic but rather done for balance reasons. I mean one alternative would be to be able to stack like 1000 berries in one slot. Or to only have 1 wood per slot. Both are equally bad alternatives. Game balancing isn't always about finding the most realistic setting but something that fits the gameplay best.

Agreed. There are ways a more 'realistic' system might be done but all would likely require lots of extras like different types of bags, backpacks, travois, etc with all having different volume and weight limits as well as impacting character performance in various ways - slower movement, stamina drain, skill penalties due to poor balance, etc.

Doubt anyone would really want to play like that after a quick test run.

[Edit - example] You can't fight very well while hauling your big bag of stuff so when confronted with a group of greydwarves you drop your bag. After the fight you discover that a greyling made off with the bag and some of the contents, scattering the rest and breaking a few things....
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