Really, I enjoy the graphics the look and feel of the game. The concept, but If I knew that they would be this unskilled or slow with using the funds that they got to expand, and to content update at a speed to keep the hype alive. I might just not have got it.

Even for an indie studio, this game is not being manage well. The update cycle is way too slow, and I question if the money they made off this game was invested well enough to keep things going. At some point, you got to question either the developers skills, or money management.

Originally posted by Rager:

At some point, you got to question either the developers skills, or money management.

During one of the valheim videos about making a rabbit the person modeling said he was hired to model 3d things, but it took him 3 months to learn Blender while working there.

So yeah, I question a lot as well.

Originally posted by Waahson:

There are plenty of dev teams out there doing things properly (using money earned to hire more staff, communicating with their community, actively adding content, providing rough road maps, working with the modding community instead of against them, supporting and acknowledging negative feedback, bettering themselves or their game in literally any way, etc.), so why make excuses for these guys and support their nearly abandoned project?

If you believe it to be a nearly abandoned project that doesn't deserve support - what are you doing here, making these threads, complaining and being totally confused about people's happiness and support of Valheim?

Things aren't perfect anywhere. Why not support an early access project you deem worthy of your support and contribute with some positive feedback in that forum?

edit: hmm, it seems you don't even own the game. What's in it to you if buyers remain happy?

Originally posted by loppantorkel:

Originally posted by Waahson:

There are plenty of dev teams out there doing things properly (using money earned to hire more staff, communicating with their community, actively adding content, providing rough road maps, working with the modding community instead of against them, supporting and acknowledging negative feedback, bettering themselves or their game in literally any way, etc.), so why make excuses for these guys and support their nearly abandoned project?

If you believe it to be a nearly abandoned project that doesn't deserve support - what are you doing here, making these threads, complaining and being totally confused about people's happiness and support of Valheim?

Things aren't perfect anywhere. Why not support an early access project you deem worthy of your support and contribute with some positive feedback in that forum?

edit: hmm, it seems you don't even own the game. What's in it to you if buyers remain happy?

I removed the game from my library, Mr. Holmes.

To answer your question though, it's because I've been around since the Steam Greenlight days and have been against the existence of early access games on Steam from the start. I'm allowed to be curious, especially when it's regarding something I've been vocal about for a long time. I don't see where I'm complaining, so I can't tell you why I'm complaining, sorry. Unfortunately, Steam has migrated to a place where early access is the norm, so of course I own a few EA titles; but most of them are out of EA by now, since that is the goal (or at least, should be) of every EA dev team.

I don't see an issue with asking a community supporting people blatantly taking advantage of them why they are so willing to be used.

You want complaining though? Personally, I can't think of a single dev team that took my money and used it to purchase a horse. Take that as you will, but to me it's a slap in the face.

lot of whining for not understanding what early access is, sad

Originally posted by Wing-Chun:

lot of whining for not understanding what early access is, sad

What sucks is that this new generation of gamers don't at all understand the irony in this statement.

Originally posted by Waahson:

Originally posted by Wing-Chun:

lot of whining for not understanding what early access is, sad

What sucks is that this new generation of gamers don't at all understand the irony in this statement.

Theres no irony you are just dumb as ♥♥♥♥

Originally posted by Wing-Chun:

lot of whining for not understanding what early access is, sad

It is not whining, I know you might be confused because gaming addiction clouds the judgement of people, but it being EA has nothing to do with the issue most of us have.


Most of us are fine with EA, but not when it is updating this slowly. Do you understand that at the rate they are going with content updates. That we are going to be in EA a very very long time.

I don't know about you, but I don't want to wait six years before we get out of EA.

Originally posted by Wing-Chun:

Originally posted by Waahson:

What sucks is that this new generation of gamers don't at all understand the irony in this statement.

Theres no irony you are just dumb as ♥♥♥♥

The Valheim community, everyone. Half of us get banned for asking why a game with potential is being left to stagnate; while the other half fanboys out and shills a game of all things for free.

Originally posted by Rager:

Originally posted by Wing-Chun:

lot of whining for not understanding what early access is, sad

It is not whining, I know you might be confused because gaming addiction clouds the judgement of people, but it being EA has nothing to do with the issue most of us have.


Most of us are fine with EA, but not when it is updating this slowly. Do you understand that at the rate they are going with content updates. That we are going to be in EA a very very long time.

I don't know about you, but I don't want to wait six years before we get out of EA.

Kid's never heard of alpha or beta stages, that's part of the issue as well. New gamers are used to early access and that alone, so they don't really understand that devs are supposed to continue working on the game; it's not actually done just because it's on Steam.

Originally posted by Waahson:

Kid's never heard of alpha or beta stages, that's part of the issue as well. New gamers are used to early access and that alone, so they don't really understand that devs are supposed to continue working on the game; it's not actually done just because it's on Steam.

This is why there are no decent MMORPG's since WoW... everyone expects the same QoL of WoW in all other MMORPG's now.

Same goes for other games, they look at QoL of other games and it has to be matched, even when it is not supposed to be.

I'm poor.. but I am not mean with money.

I might go out to eat once every two or three months. When I do I go to a local fave family owned hole in the wall and have a meal costing less than $30.

I leave a $10 - $20 tip. Just because I appreciate them being there. I love the food and love the people.

So I am kind of stunned by people claiming something for their $20 purchase of a game they already enjoyed is somehow cheating them.

EA means you bought the product AS IS... and should not have bought it if you thought it wasn't worth it at the time of purchase.

Everything beyond that is peoples desires turned to imagination. No matter what anyone said or whatever... that is how the adult world works.

Seriously ... disabled and on a low fixed income and $20 is pretty much nothing to me.. get over it already!

Originally posted by Waahson:

Locking patch notes, purging threads, rant/vent thread removed.

To the two people that see this comment before it's lost to some sweaty nerd with the tiniest amount of internet power, why support these devs?

You didn't buy a game that was finished, you invested in an early access project with expectations influenced by the dev's initial goals; but no goals are being met and the only updates to the game are small patches that destroy mod support for a short period of time.

I just don't get it. The devs seem to think they're in a similar place HG was in with NMS, but the fact of the matter is that this game is early access and the most successful early access titles historically have devs actively engaging with their community. It's almost like good early access developers realize that the community they are making a game for might actually have decent input on the status and progression of development. The only time we hear from these devs is either when they purchase a barn animal or when they want to tell us about some weird superfan rp'ing as a viking.

There are plenty of dev teams out there doing things properly (using money earned to hire more staff, communicating with their community, actively adding content, providing rough road maps, working with the modding community instead of against them, supporting and acknowledging negative feedback, bettering themselves or their game in literally any way, etc.), so why make excuses for these guys and support their nearly abandoned project?

1st off. mods have created a mega thread "Rant and Vent" for this sorta thing. so that's where this should have gone.

2nd. what does EA mean TO YOU? a work in progress or an unfinished game? there's a subtle difference in perspective btwn the 2. in the WIP mindset your focus is on the game in it's current state. if you see it as unfinished, then your focus is on what is not there. it seems from some of your statements your perspective is more toward 'unfinished'. if you can adjust your mindset to enjoy what is there now, it's damn near a perfect game. hell if you can come at it like you're a playtester looking for bugs it's fun to play. instead of worrying about goals the devs initially set for themselves, and had to later reevaluate and change, instead of thinking of it as an investment, think of it like a game you bought to play.

3rd. goals ARE being met. while not on their original optimistic schedule, work is being accomplished. personally i wish the devs would communicate more of this on Steam rather than Discord or Twitter, as i feel this would eliminate much of the complaining that 'nothing is happening' and that the game is 'dead'. but fyi: https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Version_History

4th. Mods for an EA game... well this is just generally problematic. I think ultimately if a company chooses to dedicate its resources to developing their game, and not worry about mods (at least for now) we ought to respect that decision as we would for some companies that go all in for mods. i personally prefer to play games 'as is'. the only exception was Civ IV's Fall From Heaven which was imho a masterpiece. either way though, in most cases (supported or not), when an update comes mods break. there are ALWAYS bugs.

5th communication could be better on Steam. but that is an opinion. whether or not IG, or anyone for that matter, is doing something properly is just my opinion. and as such it should be informed by fact. for example IG has hired more staff, content has been added and more is on the way, a lack of support for mods is not the same as actively working against modders.

6th am i making excuses? and is the game abandoned? maybe i am. i do love the game, just as it is, but i'm really excited for mistlands. devs have chosen to work at their own pace. it may not be fast enough for some ppl. to them i say slow down and enjoy what you have. some ppl complain and whine that the game is abandoned. to them i say go look at the facts and rethink your opinions.

I honestly just enjoy what's here already. It's a very relaxing, chill, peaceful game to play with friends, with challenge dependent on your choices. I just can't be bothered to raise my blood pressure over lack of updates in a game that feels complete to me already.