Thread is full of "devs can't be wrong" attitude. There's no point in trying to have a discussion with these people, just move on with V+

Originally posted by Zelph:

Originally posted by Allas:

Still is stuped idea to make a basic stamina not grow in the time XD

Eat food. One mid game stamina food can get you above 100. Make sure you are well rested, it doubles your stamina/health regen. Stamina potions also exist.

This.

Most survival games kill you for not eating; this one simply punishes you by reducing your maximum health and stamina pools, instead. You can't starve, but if you don't eat then you become a mere shadow of what you could be.

Within minutes of spawning, you can have the ability to eat a red berry, a mushroom, and some honey. Poof! 120 stamina instead of 50.

Late game, you can have over 250 stamina, a 400% increase over the base amount... or, if you don't eat... then you can have 50. Health works the same way.

This is a "brutal survival" game. Food is important.

Also, as noted by other commenters, your skill levels will influence how much stamina it uses when you perform various activities.

You're a dead viking in a fantasy prison burial world, the protein and fat you can consume is metabolized straight into your muscles because you're undead.

In a way your stamina does increase as the game progresses. Skills taking "less stamina" over time is really just your muscles growing to make that work easier. The only reason your base stamina is so low is either because you recently died, rather hard on the body I'd imagine, or else you're starving. And while a marathoner may have a ton of stamina, if they were starving they wouldn't exactly have as much stamina as they otherwise would but they could still probably run longer than a well fed couch potato.

As to the point of the original post:

Setting a specific level for base stamina and health which cannot be permanently raised is a basic design decision. One may not agree with if. One may consider it stupid. One may protest it.

If one is to play the game "Valheim," one must also accept that one will have to deal with it as it exists.

As to the idea that "To be fair they need to just add options so people can play however they want. I'm just glad mods exist:":

What would be the point? To quote Oxford Languages, a game is "a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck."

The role of a game designer is to provide the rules and the means (skill, strength, luck or whatever) required to win the game. The role of a game player is to play by those rules and means.

If one wants to be a game designer rather than a game player then one should learn the skills required or pay someone else who has those skills to design a game to one's specifications. I am fairly certain it will cost more than the pittance one pays Iron Gate Studio for a license to play its game.

Originally posted by DarthTanyon:

Don't listen to anyoine who thinks the current system is fine.

My friends and I used Valheim Plus, removed stam from building and farming (absolutely stupid no point other than to add time and frustration) then we made it so stam regenerates immediately no delay and increased it by 50%. the game feels a lot better now. Way more fluid.

A great deal of valheim is preparation. If you're unprepared then of course it will seem clunky and frustrating. These adjustments would make the game significantly easier, requiring less overall preparation and strategy.

Originally posted by Yolomancer:

Originally posted by DarthTanyon:

Don't listen to anyoine who thinks the current system is fine.

My friends and I used Valheim Plus, removed stam from building and farming (absolutely stupid no point other than to add time and frustration) then we made it so stam regenerates immediately no delay and increased it by 50%. the game feels a lot better now. Way more fluid.

A great deal of valheim is preparation. If you're unprepared then of course it will seem clunky and frustrating. These adjustments would make the game significantly easier, requiring less overall preparation and strategy.

We still fully prepare.. best food, rested bonus, usually best armor, weapon, only venture out during daytime. We have still died several times and had 70 hours on this play-through.

To be fair they need to just add options so people can play however they want. I'm just glad mods exist.

Originally posted by DarthTanyon:

Don't listen to anyoine who thinks the current system is fine.

My friends and I used Valheim Plus, removed stam from building and farming (absolutely stupid no point other than to add time and frustration) then we made it so stam regenerates immediately no delay and increased it by 50%. the game feels a lot better now. Way more fluid.

It is mostly fine though. The delay is like 1 second or something, and if you are rested(which you should be if you are doing anything dangerous), then regen rate is fine.

I do agree that building and farming shouldn't use any. But it early access for a reason, things can change.

One of the the aspects of the game that needs a re-think.

Your stamina and health depends on the food you consume... you can also regain health/stamina by consuming certain meads

Originally posted by Allas:

Originally posted by sarteck:

Certain skills will use less stamina as you level them up. Swimming, running, I think the weapons themselves, etc.

Still is stuped idea to make a basic stamina not grow in the time XD

Eat food. One mid game stamina food can get you above 100. Make sure you are well rested, it doubles your stamina/health regen. Stamina potions also exist.

Don't listen to anyoine who thinks the current system is fine.

My friends and I used Valheim Plus, removed stam from building and farming (absolutely stupid no point other than to add time and frustration) then we made it so stam regenerates immediately no delay and increased it by 50%. the game feels a lot better now. Way more fluid.

You'll achieve the actual 'growth' by levelling the skills which will slowly start to use less stamina and get a bigger stamina pool by discovering and unlocking better foods. That's just how this game is designed.

Certain skills will use less stamina as you level them up. Swimming, running, I think the weapons themselves, etc.

Originally posted by sarteck:

Certain skills will use less stamina as you level them up. Swimming, running, I think the weapons themselves, etc.

Still is stuped idea to make a basic stamina not grow in the time XD

Stamina system seems fine to me and I've been playing since EA release. It's about managing your bars. Previous foods were over the top, now you gotta think about it and manage it better. Still, with the right foods, it's not a big deal. Just have to think a little more during combat. The days of wading into 20 mobs and spamming attacks are over, you'll just deplete yourself and get mobbed fast. Have to be a little more tactical but not overly much. Just a bit more conservative in stamina-draining actions. Play smart and survive.

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

IDK
I haven't fully explored the plains since H&H yet.. but I would say up until and into the mountains it is pretty much the same as it was before H&H. As long as you have the level of food and armor for entering that area you should be fine.
Probably the hardest part is just starting due to no skills. Taking the time to work on skills rather than rushing content you can really feel a difference now. Where before skill level felt almost meaningless until you got to higher levels.

And believe me when H&H came out I played it with a new character right away and really disliked the changes. I quit playing for month+ until I saw a patch that lowered stamina use for melee swings. At that point I thought I would give it another chance and found ti wasn't too difficult to adjust to the new system. That first day of H&H was really bad though, they actually fixed it by the next day for the most part from what I hear. But right now everything I have played through seems well balanced.

Haven't messed with the tar guys yet though.... might sing a different tune then ha ha.

Tar pit just bring fire arrows. Does good damage

I like how the stamina is balanced. At least for running.
Things are not comfortable but else the game becomes too easy.

I'm going to jump in with a late hit: What the OP said is factually incorrect. AKA wrong. You do regain stamina while walking and jogging.

You can also regain stamina while leaning back against something and passively blocking with your shield (not trying for a knock-back, which takes extra ergs).

And for the eleventy-seventh time, mind your food and meads.

Stamina is useful to have for shield blocking, yes it uses Stamina too when a enemy gets a hit on a player's character.

Stamina is use for


Fixing Buildings/Building
Running
Jumping
Swimming
Sneaking
Shield Blocking when getting hit
Attacks/Secondary Attacks
Dodging

I not sure if I miss anything that uses Stamina then this list to show how much is used in the game.

Originally posted by Lord Rumpkin:

the stamina system is definitely not one of the finer aspects of the game

Agreed

IDK
I haven't fully explored the plains since H&H yet.. but I would say up until and into the mountains it is pretty much the same as it was before H&H. As long as you have the level of food and armor for entering that area you should be fine.
Probably the hardest part is just starting due to no skills. Taking the time to work on skills rather than rushing content you can really feel a difference now. Where before skill level felt almost meaningless until you got to higher levels.

And believe me when H&H came out I played it with a new character right away and really disliked the changes. I quit playing for month+ until I saw a patch that lowered stamina use for melee swings. At that point I thought I would give it another chance and found ti wasn't too difficult to adjust to the new system. That first day of H&H was really bad though, they actually fixed it by the next day for the most part from what I hear. But right now everything I have played through seems well balanced.

Haven't messed with the tar guys yet though.... might sing a different tune then ha ha.

I think a lot of the issues with stamina come from the traversal mechanics, our avatars being unable to walk up a slight incline or over a small rock without an expensive Super Mario leap into the air. As-is I find myself constantly stopping to recover stamina while walking through simple terrain because running into the simplest encounter with an empty bar can be a death sentence.

It was changed in H&H, it has been fixed, think of it this way, you got a new game to learn

the stamina system is definitely not one of the finer aspects of the game

Normal, default movement in the game *IS RUNNING* it looks like jogging and stamina does regen while it happens. Holding shift while running *IS SPRINTING*, it is as fast as you can possibly go and it does deplete stamina. Walking really does look like walking, it is very slow, you press 'C' to walk and it does not drain stamina.

Originally posted by TooTall1:

Normal, default movement in the game *IS RUNNING* it looks like jogging and stamina does regen while it happens. Holding shift while running *IS SPRINTING*, it is as fast as you can possibly go and it does deplete stamina. Walking really does look like walking, it is very slow, you press 'C' to walk and it does not drain stamina.

Yes, of course. I stand corrected.

Originally posted by Ryzilynt:

Originally posted by TooTall1:

Normal, default movement in the game *IS RUNNING* it looks like jogging and stamina does regen while it happens. Holding shift while running *IS SPRINTING*, it is as fast as you can possibly go and it does deplete stamina. Walking really does look like walking, it is very slow, you press 'C' to walk and it does not drain stamina.

Yes, of course. I stand corrected.

But you are also correct about stamina drain while encumbered, I left that out :/

PS: My original comments were actually directed at the OP, rather than you. Quite often I see mis-statements regarding movement speeds. Usually people think they should be able to Sprint non-stop forever! News flash: World class athletes can NOT sprint forever! Stamina is a FINITE resource! You can't sprint flat out without taking a break to recoup it. Now jogging (running) at the proper speed you can recoup stamina to a degree In Real Life. We do it in this game as well :)

Since when did that change? must have changed in the last 4 hours because what you just said is incorrect.

Running takes stamina, always has.

Walking ? No.

unless you are encumbered

Stamina management has always been a major part of this game, and it's still that way, after H&H, only in a bit different way.

As always, it's essential to maintain a rested bonus at all times to give the HP regen, but more importantly, gives the stamina regen to help recover stamina faster.

If you are out doing tasks which drain stamina, and run out of rested bonus, stop what you are doing and build a fire and sit by it until your rested bonus is activated again.

Same concept that has always been a part of Valheim gameplay, however, H&H has changed things slightly where you now need to pay attention to what foods you are eating, depending on what activities you are doing, so, if you are out cutting a lot of trees or mining etc. you need to eat foods which give you a bigger stamina pool to work with and of course keep your rested bonus active.

If you are losing all your stamina on one swing of the pick, then you aren't using stamina foods or maintaining your rested bonus properly.

Killed it or.. You just don't want to learn the new system?

Ran around with 250+ stamina and 90+ health the other day.
They also buffed mining, it's much faster now than before.. So.. Does not compute.

It sounds like you're running around with only health buffs, wet and no rested buff.

Originally posted by GrumpyPOP:

Can't run very far....no stamina.

What are you using to determine how "far" is? Is this with or without the power that reduces run/jump stamina cost?

Originally posted by Letozeth:

Killed it or.. You just don't want to learn the new system?

It's not a new system, you just continue to portal back to your bedroom to make sure you always have a rested buff, carry a campfire worth of materials with you to dry off, and eat stamina-heavy food to have a higher work capacity. Literally the same system, things just cost more to do now.

Originally posted by Tenoshii:

Originally posted by GrumpyPOP:

Can't run very far....no stamina.

What are you using to determine how "far" is? Is this with or without the power that reduces run/jump stamina cost?

In fairness, these guys are jogging 13.5 km/h to begin with even while wearing full armor and can maintain that pace forever, which pretty much makes them nearly twice as capable aerobically as the average ultra marathoner. Then again this makes it all that much more absurd when they can't sprint for longer than a minute or two (which maybe not coincidentally was a favorite figure to quote for anaerobic capacity in the 90s and aughts: https://journals.physiology.org/doi/abs/10.1152/jappl.1993.75.4.1654 ).

"It's all relative" I guess. Also rather absurd that the greatest ultra marathoners ever (these einherjar) cannot plant more than 100 turnips before gassing. Just funny balance?

Originally posted by Anarchist Jurisdictor:

"It's all relative" I guess. Also rather absurd that the greatest ultra marathoners ever (these einherjar) cannot plant more than 100 turnips before gassing. Just funny balance?

Under normal circumstances, planting a single vegetable takes a lot of prep and work, so the fact that you can do it in a half a second seems a good balance. Seeding and planting an entire load of crops before even needing to take a breather is pretty impressive. Nevermind seeing a whole farm field in what amounts to about an afternoon in game time.

eat the right foods to buff stamina and/or health

I can't believe how they killed stamina, either, because I'm not experiencing any stamina problems. I die a lot, but from stupidity. Like the time I stepped off my roof while watching a greyling attempting to molest a bee hive. Of course, I had not eaten breakfast.

The bees won.

I love the fan boys just going on the attack. It's like looking at the comment section of a news site.

The Regen is very slow. Particularly in the early game. You can eat all the food you like but when you are cutting wood and you chop down 3 or 4 trees get a nice chain reaction and have about 600 wood to chop in the early game with a flint axe having 120+ stamina is the following.

Chop Chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop wait regen starts wait wait wait wait Chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop....

it is a significantly long pause to let your regen fully refill. It is almost better to have lower stamina about 80-100. You will have to stop more often but you still have enough to fight and the waits are shorter so you don't feel as though you are wasting so much time.

That is when I notice it the most. Fights in the early game are always going to be a lot of kiting because if you have 10 greydwarfs, a Shaman and a Brute chasing you stopping and using all your stamina is not a good idea. You stop, knock one or two down and start moving again. So it is just the running... and by the time that starts you will have your buff to help with that.

(Also I haven't died... no trees, no large groups, no accidental falls, no drowning... so I'm not complaining that it gets me killed... the regen slows the play down to a point that there is a noticeable down time often enough to be frustrating.

Not everyone speed runs. My first base I build before doing a boss usually takes 600 wood for the walls alone not including the long house and the workshop or the 300 -400 stone for the reinforcing. The boar pen is needless they respawn really very fast in the wild. I generally play slow... and when you are building like that early the poor stamina regen is really noticeable.

and cue people dismissing this as playing wrong...

agree. stamina is quite harsh to the point where its annoying even doing the basics tasks. like planting seeds shouldn't be nearly 20 stamina per use. Like I shouldn't have to eat the strongest stamina meals in the game just to do a quick garden. Not to mention practically everytime I do manage to start working on my house, garden, or even exploring I get hit with RAIN; so im already at a disadvantage before I even start.

People complain about Stamina but not everyone, it's as if we're ignoring the fact that Stamina Drain is tool/weapon dependant, not skill or food dependant.

Basic stuff costs less Stamina, while Higher Tier stuff costs more Stamina.

So you could have people complain when they have all Black Metal Gear and they can only swing their sword like twice and run out of Stamina... and then others not say a thing because they are genuinely just starting out and are using Flint tools that cost as low as 4 on the Flint Dagger.

So people are complaining about the food, which isn't the problem. It's the Stamina drain on weapons/tools. This value needs to be tied to skill level, or else you can produce more damage on basic weapons by swinging them more.

If I can swing a Flint Dagger over a Dozen times, I can cause the enemy to get staggered and they will take even more, and with my relentless attacking I can get in more hits while they are staggered. This does MAJOR damage compared to trying to get in 4-5 hits with the Black Metal Knife and then having 0 stamina.