100's of mods made by hundreds of modders.

Dev team: 5 guys.

Why steam let's children post, I never will understand.

Another scum studio, whatever

Originally posted by craneology:

Why steam let's children post, I never will understand.

Need a blacklist. Dive just REFUSE to understand or listen to reason. It's only all about what they want, and they want it now now now.

Again... Entitlement and impatience. Also a splash of ignorance. Ban me, but it needed said.

P.S. Sadly, in recent years too many gaming companies have gotten away with some really shady stuff with EA, Kickstarters, etc that have made a large portion of the gaming community paranoid, angry, impatient, and all around untrusting. Hence tons of unfounded claims against IG because a small team isn't pushing stuff out the door fast enough.

Because modding Unity games is easy.

Your equating hanging an air freshener in
a car to building a car.

Originally posted by TheRampage555:

Originally posted by DaTank:

This is an EA game. The development team has to consider the entirety of the game and balance. Modders don't have to worry about that, they just take someone elses work and add their own. It's easy to add content from a mod, without considering what is coming down the line and balancing.

If they were to take these modders on to their team, it would likely result in a worse product that will take longer to complete because they have to consider the rest of the game and work on different parts.

I use to script for games in C++ back in the day, and it's just far to easy to add/edit your own mod than to actually work on the game and balance.

thats kind of vague because "entirety of the game" and " balance" are both very vague and dont really explain anything. The game just needs more content. A lot of mods focus on rebalancing the game and making it better in that regard too, so this answer really makes no sense to me. Obvioulsy its EA, but the games foundation is already established and more content should be easy to add, but nothing for 8 months.

It really sounds like you've come here to try and spread misinformation that modders are better than the actual devs. I don't think you realize what it takes to create a game and the differences between modding and creating.

This is an EA game. The development team has to consider the entirety of the game and balance. Modders don't have to worry about that, they just take someone elses work and add their own. It's easy to add content from a mod, without considering what is coming down the line and balancing.

If they were to take these modders on to their team, it would likely result in a worse product that will take longer to complete because they have to consider the rest of the game and work on different parts.

I use to script for games in C++ back in the day, and it's just far to easy to add/edit your own mod than to actually work on the game and balance.

Originally posted by DaTank:

This is an EA game. The development team has to consider the entirety of the game and balance. Modders don't have to worry about that, they just take someone elses work and add their own. It's easy to add content from a mod, without considering what is coming down the line and balancing.

If they were to take these modders on to their team, it would likely result in a worse product that will take longer to complete because they have to consider the rest of the game and work on different parts.

I use to script for games in C++ back in the day, and it's just far to easy to add/edit your own mod than to actually work on the game and balance.

thats kind of vague because "entirety of the game" and " balance" are both very vague and dont really explain anything. The game just needs more content. A lot of mods focus on rebalancing the game and making it better in that regard too, so this answer really makes no sense to me. Obvioulsy its EA, but the games foundation is already established and more content should be easy to add, but nothing for 8 months.

Originally posted by TheRampage555:

The game just needs more content. A lot of mods focus on rebalancing the game and making it better in that regard too, so this answer really makes no sense to me. Obvioulsy its EA, but the games foundation is already established and more content should be easy to add, but nothing for 8 months.

No, the game needs the right new content. The mods that "improve" the game by "rebalancing" it in a way you like may, or may not, be what the Iron Gate want to do; they may, or may not, be what most other players want. I have seen plenty of mods that make the game "easier" to play - and completely destroy the way the developers have said they want it to be.

If the modders are so fantastic, why don't they go off and invent, design, and write their own game? Answer: because it's hard - it's much easier to hack around with somebody else's code.

As for "more content should be easy to add" - I have to ask: do you write software professionally and have paying customers for what you write?

do you realize how long it takes to develop a game? this is a early access, indie company of like 6 devs. multi million dollar dev companies take several months to make new content, and years to make whole new games, with hundreds if not thousands of developers. mods take all of 5 minutes to a month depending on the scale to make.

theres over 100 mod makers, (probably somewhere in the 300-700 range) that dont have to create something from the ground up, but take the work and alter it to do what they want their mod to do. theres over 10x the amount of modders to developers.

and many games do hire mod makers. minecraft, skyrim, and hundreds of others.

Originally posted by TheRampage555:

thats kind of vague because "entirety of the game" and " balance" are both very vague and dont really explain anything. The game just needs more content. A lot of mods focus on rebalancing the game and making it better in that regard too, so this answer really makes no sense to me. Obvioulsy its EA, but the games foundation is already established and more content should be easy to add, but nothing for 8 months.

The game is in EARLY ACCESS, meaning it's not finished yet or officially released. It's got a large content drop coming up and more to follow. By the time it is officially released it will have the base content the creators intended to release. You're making an incorrect assumption that because the game is released into EA the foundation is established, all an EA release means is that the game is in an initially playable state and the developers are ready for load testing & player feedback.

It's been SIX months, not 8. Valheim was released to EA on Feb 2nd.

They have since been adjusting to a gigantic change to their company (the unexpected huge influx of money & players which is not an easy peasy adjustment to make - that's a false assumption, and exactly why most people who win a lottery jackpot end up in debt within a few years, because correctly and appropriately managing huge changes like that takes putting on the breaks, re-organizing and coming up with a new plan). New people have been hired, new stuff is underway, and the first major content update is due by the end of Q3.

In the mean time, they have been reviewing and working through thousands of bug reports which this gigantic influx of players has generated - if you go check the bug tracker you'll see some of this. This has required going back and rebuilding several things etc.

There have been multiple hot-fix patches released.

Personally while I love modders for fully released games, I think modding for EA games is harmful. Not only does it set up wildly unrealistic expectations in players, it also takes away from the ability for the original game creators to be excited about all their new features and content additions when modders are putting some of those things out first. For example, what if IG had plans to allow you to ride Loxs & harness them to wagons? Now if they implement that everyone is going to scream that they stole the ideas off a modder. Modding in EA stage puts developers in a very difficult position.

Don't get me wrong, again, I love mods & modders. Many of my favourite games have had literally years of extra play time because of modders (Skyrim, I'm looking at you). But like all things, there's positives & negatives.

Plenty of modders get hired by game companies, but that's down to a wide variety of factors and isn't appropriate for every single company. IG has hired developers, they want to progress slow & steady and make sure they CRAFT a game they love & can be proud of, not just push out content as fast as possible regardless of whether or not it meets their criteria.

If you buy games in EA, you have to accept that it may be a year or so until you have a game that is lush with content and optimized. You have to accept that they're still building and figuring things out, that there is no fixed plan of content drops - buying an EA game is NOT buying a season pass to a AAA game. You're providing early support to the game studio & getting to be part of the testing & feedback stage. That's it.

If you want a content rich game right now, don't buy a game in EA.

Originally posted by TheRampage555:

So, huge lack of content updates for this fabulous game, very sad.

First this is early access game. It can literally take years for the game to finish. I remember Kenshi being Early Access for like four years.

The game also has a small development team with normal jobs and lives in addition to the work they do.

If you read the news then you would know they do about one udpate a quarter. September usually starts a new quarter, so that update is soonish.

I think Steam needs a better disclaimer prompting people with a clearer explanation of what early access means.

Fundamental misunderstanding. EA is also a new term in gaming and is now used as a guise to release unfinished games. You can't just release a ♥♥♥♥ game with no content and call it EA. Valheim isn't really unfinished, it's a solid game for sure, it just seems like the base to add more stuff is there, like the stuff they've showed for the first update doesn't seem very complicated to add, ie more building items? IK you all think you know way more than me and everyone else, as is the case with most people on here and in these discussions. I'm just saying that however long its been, an update should have been out by now. IK it's a big deal when you make a successful product, but jeez we acting like they cured cancer or something my goodness it's a video game. These devs are now millionaires and im supposed to not expect updates? Is their full time job not to work on this game and make it great? And yes modding is definitely easier but isn't the base game pretty much made? Isn't adding stuff in at this point pretty simple? Isn't that why modders are able to make such great mods?

Originally posted by TheRampage555:

IK you all think you know way more than me and everyone else, as is the case with most people on here and in these discussions.

Yep, because for starters I know how to look up links to roadmaps. That tells you exactly what the developers have done and will do before release.

Originally posted by TheRampage555:

These devs are now millionaires and im supposed to not expect updates?

Another one of those comments....

First off you forget expenses, for example how much of a cut Steam gets. Then of course you got all sorts of other expenses like lawyers and distribution, production, and do not forget about 25-30% to taxes.

So even if the developers got a million each that aint enough to quit their job over. You realize most of the people who won a million in a lottery wound up right back at works a few years later.

Now if these developers were in their early 30s they would be even bigger idiots quitting their normal careers over a flash in the pan income. Income form the sales of this game is not a guaranteed thing for the rest of their life.

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by TheRampage555:

IK you all think you know way more than me and everyone else, as is the case with most people on here and in these discussions.

Yep, because for starters I know how to look up links to roadmaps. That tells you exactly what the developers have done and will do before release.

Originally posted by TheRampage555:

These devs are now millionaires and im supposed to not expect updates?

Another one of those comments....

First off you forget expenses, for example how much of a cut Steam gets. Then of course you got all sorts of other expenses like lawyers and distribution, production, and do not forget about 25-30% to taxes.

So even if the developers got a million each that aint enough to quit their job over. You realize most of the people who won a million in a lottery wound up right back at works a few years later.

Now if these developers were in their early 30s they would be even bigger idiots quitting their normal careers over a flash in the pan income. Income form the sales of this game is not a guaranteed thing for the rest of their life.

Lmao probably shouldn't bring up road maps???? Those are blatant lies at this point. And idgaf exactly about the money and taxes and all that, doesn't matter, they made a lot of money on a great project and should continue to work on it. I mean it was number 2 on steam for awhile, and now the playerbase is pretty much gone, thats all I'm saying

Most of the negative comments here are just entitled people complaining they payed for early access and somehow feel jipped on a 20 dollar game, you all need to relax and go play something else or maybe get some fresh air, come back when another big update drops...although I have a feeling you won't be satisfied regardless. Bottom line you paid for an unfinished game knowing full well and are upset because of a road map they had to change for whatever reasons. You will clearly never fully enjoy this game like the majority do. i personally got my 20 dollars worth out of it, they don't owe me any more, but added future content and updates is just gravy to me.