Originally posted by L1m3r:

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

That's the ticket, right there. Uninstall Valheim, then delete steamapps/common/Valheim, and start fresh and clean.

To to me that's the least appealing option. Wasted bandwidth, SSD/HDD wear and so on ...
But It's the final option safe for the not technically inclined.
I prefer actually finding out what causes a problem - not the sledge-hammer method. ;-)

Ten years ago, I would have agreed with you. These days, I want the stuff I paid for to "just work"... so the nuclear option is often the second or third step, if basic troubleshooting doesn't offer a solution in a reasonable timeframe.

"Wear and tear on an SSD/HDD" is a non-issue. MTBF on modern hardware is in the hundreds of thousands of hours of constant usage, and worrying about when your data storage device is going to die is like worrying that you yourself will die some day. Yes, it will happen, but for the most part what you do until then has little to no impact. Make backups so you can recover quickly when it does, get your affairs in order just in case, and keep on keeping on.

All of that being said, I can afford a new SSD... but I'm not getting the time spent troubleshooting back, and it's keeping me from lighting trolls on fire and smashing skeletons, so these days I prefer to do some minor tinkering to see if it's something I did, then nuke it and reload.

Of course, it helps that I have gigabit fiber and couldn't care less about bandwidth.

Originally posted by L1m3r:

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

The real problem there is that then the original poster doesn't follow the original post, for some reason, and makes a new post whining about how their post was "deleted"...

It might be because they don find'em any more in their Steam "Comment Notifications".
Currently 3 of the first 12 of my notifications were ".... moved or deleted" and I have no proper way to figure out which threads those were from/in (can only relate the time).

I'm subscribed to several games' forums; the amount of "moved or deleted" spam in my notifications is absurd. That's a Steam issue, not a Valheim issue, but it's still an issue.

That being said, I'm fairly certain that if I'm the OP for a thread that got moved, and someone responds to it after it has been moved to the proper place, I'll get a notification... and it'll take me to the new location to read what was said.

While we're on the subject of forum-based annoyances, another pet peeve of mine is the people who refuse to use the search bar at the top-right of the screen to look for other people experiencing the exact same issue they are having; they could just follow the same instructions as the 300 other people who are having the same "broken game" problem, but noooooo... they have to make their very own special and unique thread to be told individually that the latest update broke all the mods (again) (just like nearly every previous update), and the only possible options are to either wait for the mod authors to update to the latest version of the game, completely remove their mods, or not play at all.

It used to be that you could count on someone who's playing modded to have the technical savvy to troubleshoot their own issues before coming to the forums to ask the neckbeards how to proceed... but these days, it's all prepackaged and automated. A surprising (to me) number of modded players don't even know they're running mods. I literally had someone argue with me the other day that they weren't modded, after they posted their logfile with a BepInEx error front and center.

9 times out of 10, the fix is "remove your broken mods"... and the quickest and easiest way to tell people how to do that is "nuke the folder and start over".

Sorry @OP - We're kinda getting off topic here... :shrug:

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

Originally posted by L1m3r:

To to me that's the least appealing option. Wasted bandwidth, SSD/HDD wear and so on ...
But It's the final option safe for the not technically inclined.
I prefer actually finding out what causes a problem - not the sledge-hammer method. ;-)

Ten years ago, I would have agreed with you. These days, I want the stuff I paid for to "just work"... so the nuclear option is often the second or third step, if basic troubleshooting doesn't offer a solution in a reasonable timeframe.

"Wear and tear on an SSD/HDD" is a non-issue. MTBF on modern hardware is in the hundreds of thousands of hours of constant usage, and worrying about when your data storage device is going to die is like worrying that you yourself will die some day. Yes, it will happen, but for the most part what you do until then has little to no impact. Make backups so you can recover quickly when it does, get your affairs in order just in case, and keep on keeping on.

All of that being said, I can afford a new SSD... but I'm not getting the time spent troubleshooting back, and it's keeping me from lighting trolls on fire and smashing skeletons, so these days I prefer to do some minor tinkering to see if it's something I did, then nuke it and reload.

Of course, it helps that I have gigabit fiber and couldn't care less about bandwidth.

Well yeah, much of that is a matter of personal preference.
Except for the "stuff I paid for" part - VH is still in early access and no one pays anything for mods so this argument kinda doesn't count in this case/constellation IMHO.

It's still unnecessary wear and many SSDs get slower with wear.
And both the new transfer and writing new data costs energy too. Very little for every single user but the Internet as a whole uses more and more (I have some 2% of world wide power consumption in mind but here it's 20% by 2025[theconversation.com]). That is one reason why I'm not a fan of all those (static data only) streaming services.

Boy do I wish I could get (payable) 1GBit/s internet here. My maximum is 70/30MBit/s (Up/down stream). Just a few streets over it's at least 250/100 or something.

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

Originally posted by L1m3r:

It might be because they don find'em any more in their Steam "Comment Notifications".
Currently 3 of the first 12 of my notifications were ".... moved or deleted" and I have no proper way to figure out which threads those were from/in (can only relate the time).

That's a Steam issue, not a Valheim issue, but it's still an issue.

Definitively.

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

That being said, I'm fairly certain that if I'm the OP for a thread that got moved, and someone responds to it after it has been moved to the proper place, I'll get a notification... and it'll take me to the new location to read what was said.

Probably - but if there's no new reply after the move...

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

While we're on the subject of forum-based annoyances, another pet peeve of mine is the people who refuse to use the search bar at the top-right of the screen to look for other people experiencing the exact same issue they are having; they could just follow the same instructions as the 300 other people who are having the same "broken game" problem, but noooooo... they have to make their very own special and unique thread to be told individually that the latest update broke all the mods (again) (just like nearly every previous update), and the only possible options are to either wait for the mod authors to update to the latest version of the game, completely remove their mods, or not play at all.

You don't need to tell me. I've been hanging out in VH's steam forums for a few weeks now (am/was bored) and it's kinda aggravating.
But there's another option: keeping the a working version of VH and don't update it.

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

It used to be that you could count on someone who's playing modded to have the technical savvy to troubleshoot their own issues before coming to the forums to ask the neckbeards how to proceed... but these days, it's all prepackaged and automated. A surprising (to me) number of modded players don't even know they're running mods. I literally had someone argue with me the other day that they weren't modded, after they posted their logfile with a BepInEx error front and center.

9 times out of 10, the fix is "remove your broken mods"... and the quickest and easiest way to tell people how to do that is "nuke the folder and start over".

Yeah.... I'm surprised by that too and almost hat the same argument in the last 24h too.

It's been quite a while since I was last active in any non-nerd/techy forum but I still can't shake the feeling the standards have dropped..

But IronGate could do better too. Their FAQs and pinned posts are all over the place.

I've actually played with the idea of creating a flow-chart like page (logical structure, not graphical) in the (un?)official wiki. Maybe with specific codes at certain points so real new help request can directly point to what they've already done, where the problem is and so on...

What does "uninstalled all mods" actually mean?
Uninstalled in a Mod manager? Probably not enough.
Deleted the all mod .dll-files from "...\SteamApps\common\Valheim\BepInEx\plugins"? Not enough. see https://steamcommunity.com/app/892970/discussions/1/3154202776531668586/

Rename:
This stops BepInEx cold in its tracks because it doesn't even get injected into the valheim.exe process anymore => completely disables BepInEx (and all mods requiring it).
+ Steam's "Verify integrity of game files"

Or delete the whole Valheim game folder and let Steam download it again.

And this belongs in the sub-forum "Bugs & Technical Issues"...

Originally posted by L1m3r:

delete the whole Valheim game folder and let Steam download it again.

That's the ticket, right there. Uninstall Valheim, then delete steamapps/common/Valheim, and start fresh and clean.

Originally posted by L1m3r:

And this belongs in the sub-forum "Bugs & Technical Issues"...

It'll get there. The mods have no issues with moving posts to their appropriate locations; you'll notice the "general discussions" section isn't full of bug reports and "someone play with me" posts, despite those being quite commonly posted in it.

The real problem there is that then the original poster doesn't follow the original post, for some reason, and makes a new post whining about how their post was "deleted"...

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

Originally posted by L1m3r:

delete the whole Valheim game folder and let Steam download it again.

That's the ticket, right there. Uninstall Valheim, then delete steamapps/common/Valheim, and start fresh and clean.

To to me that's the least appealing option. Wasted bandwidth, SSD/HDD wear and so on ...
But It's the final option safe for the not technically inclined.
I prefer actually finding out what causes a problem - not the sledge-hammer method. ;-)

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

The real problem there is that then the original poster doesn't follow the original post, for some reason, and makes a new post whining about how their post was "deleted"...

It might be because they don find'em any more in their Steam "Comment Notifications".
Currently 3 of the first 12 of my notifications were ".... moved or deleted" and I have no proper way to figure out which threads those were from/in (can only relate the time).