Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

Mod at your own risk.

Personally I don't touch mods I didn't make myself. And the only thing I am modding these days are flags into KSP.
Today's flag
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2790428398

I think mods ruin a game, but that is just my personal opinion.
Modding does give me endless opportunity to help people who messed up games and saves by modding. So modding lets me feel good about myself.

edit add - and these new mod loader/managers that mess up your game from another drive or isolated program. That had to be the dumbest idea ever. Now people can't even nuke the install to get rid of them.

your answer is an answer of someone that didnt' red good my pos sorry sir.
IMHO , when MODS starts come out from community it's barely positive.
it's why skyrim and all other games with mods are still played to day.
Valheim in one of them sir , and with no mods around this game would had 50% or even less.
accept reality

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:

Oh this old argument. It's right up there with money = speed of development.

money = speed? i never intended to talk about that. can you please pass away this argumenti? feels like spam

Originally posted by Hiryukaen:

Maybe after the game is finished.
During development? Nah, takes away time that can be used for finishing the game.
Modding doesn't need the developers approval or involvement to happen, its been happening and will continue to happen regardless.

Because i have some experiences with software development, i 100% agre with you

Originally posted by Or0_n3rVo5o:

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:

Oh this old argument. It's right up there with money = speed of development.

money = speed? i never intended to talk about that. can you please pass away this argumenti? feels like spam

Hey, I love [SPAM], especially Spam Musubi, or Spam and Eggs, or.... the Lobster Theramadore with never mind.

However, more to the point, this is a thread that has come up before. Modders, in general, make what they want; not what the devs want. Modders might be good at some things, but many of them are not Interactive Entertainment professionals.

More to the point, too many cooks or growers spoil the pot, and too many coders spoil the game.

I am inflexible about this olde argument.. yes it is so olde I am using an ol' fashioned e on it now.

I play Vanilla and mostly I don't miss a thing. The only mod I'd really like to be incorporated is the Plant Everything mod, as it allows me to add vines to my houses and bushes to be planted where I want them.

Other than that, I don't care much about mods. IMHO, they do ruin a game, in both figurative and literal ways.

But, hey, to each their own. Just don't expect IronGate to add mod support before the game is fully released. This thing is getting rehashed every other week or so...

It really is getting old.

Originally posted by electricdawn:

... Just don't expect IronGate to add mod support before the game is fully released...

IMHO will be deactivated devcon before version 1.0 release - this is indicated by the conversion of console activation into the application startup parameter ...

Originally posted by vilem.krejci:

Originally posted by electricdawn:

... Just don't expect IronGate to add mod support before the game is fully released...

IMHO will be deactivated devcon before version 1.0 release - this is indicated by the conversion of console activation into the application startup parameter ...

the current modding approach is neither supported by the devs nor can it really get prevented by the devs

Originally posted by Or0_n3rVo5o:

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

Mod at your own risk.

Personally I don't touch mods I didn't make myself. And the only thing I am modding these days are flags into KSP.
Today's flag
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2790428398

I think mods ruin a game, but that is just my personal opinion.
Modding does give me endless opportunity to help people who messed up games and saves by modding. So modding lets me feel good about myself.

edit add - and these new mod loader/managers that mess up your game from another drive or isolated program. That had to be the dumbest idea ever. Now people can't even nuke the install to get rid of them.

your answer is an answer of someone that didnt' red good my pos sorry sir.
IMHO , when MODS starts come out from community it's barely positive.
it's why skyrim and all other games with mods are still played to day.
Valheim in one of them sir , and with no mods around this game would had 50% or even less.
accept reality

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:

Oh this old argument. It's right up there with money = speed of development.

money = speed? i never intended to talk about that. can you please pass away this argumenti? feels like spam

I did read your post .... sir?

I do not agree with using mods.

I have over 1700 hrs in game and never modded or wanted to mod. Everyone does not want or need mods.

DO NOT SPEAK FOR OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are entitled to your opinion. But when you throw it around like it is fact it will piss people off...... so if you want to endear people to using mods then stop that ♥♥♥♥!!! You understand now?

You know I personally think modders ♥♥♥♥♥♥ development. And then all the people who come in after an update to complain how the devs broke their games etc... It just makes me sick of all the wasted time by the devs trying to sort through real issues over issues caused by modding. Ruins the feedback cycle totally.



Face it, mods are popular because people are lazy and stupid. Those are the hardest people to help when they are bound to mess up. Not saying everyone who mods are like this just the majority.

Accept reality.

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

Originally posted by Or0_n3rVo5o:

your answer is an answer of someone that didnt' red good my pos sorry sir.
IMHO , when MODS starts come out from community it's barely positive.
it's why skyrim and all other games with mods are still played to day.
Valheim in one of them sir , and with no mods around this game would had 50% or even less.
accept reality



money = speed? i never intended to talk about that. can you please pass away this argumenti? feels like spam

I did read your post .... sir?

I do not agree with using mods.

I have over 1700 hrs in game and never modded or wanted to mod. Everyone does not want or need mods.

DO NOT SPEAK FOR OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are entitled to your opinion. But when you throw it around like it is fact it will piss people off...... so if you want to endear people to using mods then stop that ♥♥♥♥!!! You understand now?

You know I personally think modders ♥♥♥♥♥♥ development. And then all the people who come in after an update to complain how the devs broke their games etc... It just makes me sick of all the wasted time by the devs trying to sort through real issues over issues caused by modding. Ruins the feedback cycle totally.



Face it, mods are popular because people are lazy and stupid. Those are the hardest people to help when they are bound to mess up. Not saying everyone who mods are like this just the majority.

Accept reality.

my post wasn't intended to make people trigger or tilt. i guess we can shut it here because i really didn't wanted to make flame material. forgot that posting in online community make everything a bit like facebook comments.
btw your thoughts are totally legit.
cya all you can go back tilt in others posts.

Originally posted by Or0_n3rVo5o:

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

I did read your post .... sir?

I do not agree with using mods.

I have over 1700 hrs in game and never modded or wanted to mod. Everyone does not want or need mods.

DO NOT SPEAK FOR OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are entitled to your opinion. But when you throw it around like it is fact it will piss people off...... so if you want to endear people to using mods then stop that ♥♥♥♥!!! You understand now?

You know I personally think modders ♥♥♥♥♥♥ development. And then all the people who come in after an update to complain how the devs broke their games etc... It just makes me sick of all the wasted time by the devs trying to sort through real issues over issues caused by modding. Ruins the feedback cycle totally.



Face it, mods are popular because people are lazy and stupid. Those are the hardest people to help when they are bound to mess up. Not saying everyone who mods are like this just the majority.

Accept reality.

my post wasn't intended to make people trigger or tilt. i guess we can shut it here because i really didn't wanted to make flame material. forgot that posting in online community make everything a bit like facebook comments.
btw your thoughts are totally legit.
cya all you can go back tilt in others posts.

Look you should maybe just rethink how you presented the issue?

Not intending to chase you off. Feel free to post about modding, lots of people do.

Oh this old argument. It's right up there with money = speed of development.

"be positive and trust humans." if there is one thing i learned in software development then its not that :D

Maybe after the game is finished.
During development? Nah, takes away time that can be used for finishing the game.
Modding doesn't need the developers approval or involvement to happen, its been happening and will continue to happen regardless.

I was initially iffy just because of how patches have a tendency to break mods. But really the patches come at such a rate that it's worth the gamble. There is more than enough time to go through that process of switching it up and then burning yourself out all over again. And in most cases it is an easy process for authors to port mods onto newer versions, but obviously it depends what the mod does.

I'm always in favour of functions and features that let returning players access their preferred content faster or work with them in a new way after they have already enjoyed the game in its vanilla state.

If you know what it is that you like about the game, make changes that promote spending a greater ratio of time with that aspect. Or add something that makes those less enjoyable parts more appealing. Show those live service grinders the freedoms that they are losing out on.

mmm i just think about what happened to skyrim special edition and fallout new vegas... they both had an official version with the greatest mods...

Mod at your own risk.

Personally I don't touch mods I didn't make myself. And the only thing I am modding these days are flags into KSP.
Today's flag
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2790428398

I think mods ruin a game, but that is just my personal opinion.
Modding does give me endless opportunity to help people who messed up games and saves by modding. So modding lets me feel good about myself.

edit add - and these new mod loader/managers that mess up your game from another drive or isolated program. That had to be the dumbest idea ever. Now people can't even nuke the install to get rid of them.