Originally posted by sarteck:

Originally posted by MrExzibit:

You might be right on that one haha, might actually be easier to just drag and drop.

Ever since trying to install Skyrim mods manually it has left some kind of trauma to use mod managers for everything.

I used to drag and drop for this game, but it became a real hassle for a few reasons.

First and foremost, mod managers (or at least r2modman/ThunderstoreModManager) will inform you of updates, and it's as simple as two clicks to update all of your mods. Without the manager, you have to go hunt down all of your mods and manually check.

Secondly, (again, at least with R2MM/TMM) it's a very simple process to share all of your mods. With the managers I mentioned, you can just export your profile as a file for them to download or even just a simple code for your players to input. No need to worry about them accidentally missing one, or having a different configuration, or anything like that.

Third, those mod managers give the option to start he game completely vanilla (for testing or whatever) or for starting modded; there's no need for you to manually go in and move files around when you need to check and see if something is working in vanilla or if it's "just your mods."

The one-click installs are nice, too. ANd the ability to enable/disable without having to go manually delete/move/rename files is a huge plus for when you're trying to lock down a troublesome mod.

It might be more "manly" to make life difficult for yourself, yeah... But I've got enough hair on my chest as it is. :D

That is also very true, good mention. I'll probably end up using mod manager just because I know how to use it therefore being a good time save.

One thing I had noticed is that a good portion of most downloaded mods have been outdated and not working for some time sadly. I'm sure mod creators have created better, up to date version of those mods which are now outdated, but won't appear in the "Most downloaded" simply because the game receives less traffic now

Originally posted by burn:

real men don't use mod managers :liam_al:

drag and drop old school style, lol

File managers are for wusses.
REAL men flip bits with a magnet until the game works the way they want it to.

Originally posted by MrExzibit:

One thing I had noticed is that a good portion of most downloaded mods have been outdated and not working for some time sadly. I'm sure mod creators have created better, up to date version of those mods which are now outdated, but won't appear in the "Most downloaded" simply because the game receives less traffic now

Yeah, Thunderstore.io really needs to work on its filters and sorting; I'm not a huge fan of it's search feature at all.

In practice, anything that's got a "Last updated" from well before the last update of Valheim I get really cautious about. Some of them are simple enough that no updates are needed, others not so much. If you're using anything that's not been updated recently, I really highly suggest you test as thoroughly as you can before you begin "real" play with it.

Example of a simple mod that's not needed updates pretty much because it's so simple: TransparentSail . It's not been updated for two years, but works fine.

my comment was mostly in jest...

i dont use a mod manager and i have 63 mods installed for valheim. i frequent the OdinPlus and Valheim Modding discord servers and the discords each have a feed for the nexus and thunderstore notifying members of any and all uploads to the sites. if i see a mod that im using listed there, i just click the link and download the update and install.

ive shared my installed mods/modpacks with a few friends by just copying my plugins/configs folders and posting to my google drive.

it is of my opinion that users should be familiar with folder structures and where things go / need to be. a few extra clicks, sure... but the knowledge of where files are located is worth the extra clicks to navigate to the appropriate folders.

i wont say this is for everyone.... some people want / prefer automation... but i prefer knowing rather than blindly trusting...

as for running a modded game "vanilla", just rename "winhttp.dll" to something else, and you're good to go, no mods will be loaded, including bepinex.

to each his own tho... however you prefer to do it as long as it gets the job done.

Its divided between Nexus and Thunderstore, maybe some smaller ones too.
I preffer r2modman which using the mods from Thunderstore. You can make your own profiles and deactivate or activate mods for each profile. Sharing is also a one click button.

r2modman and ThunderstoreModManager are the same thing, except ThunderstoreModManager comes with the "Overwolf" overhead--recommend to just use r2modmanager there.

I have not used Nexus' mod manager (Vortex), but I avoid using Nexus ever since they ticked off a bunch of mod creators by claiming rights to all mods uploaded there. One thing Nexus DOES have over Thunderstore (for the sites, anyways, not the manager) is that you can post and read comments there, though.

You can still use any of the Mod Managers AND use mods from the other sites simply by dropping the DLLs in your plugins folder; they just won't have benefits like allowing you to auto-update the mods.

All things considered, I personally prefer r2modman. Since I no longer do Nexus, I can't say for sure if it's more up-to-date or not.

Le meilleur conseil?c'est de jouer normalement a l'ancienne quel interret de jouer avec des aides bidon?cela casse la vrais difficulté du jeux. Apprenais a jouer sans tricherie ou autre ,pourquoi toujours a chercher la facilité?c'est dommage dans arriver la.

The best advice is to play normally the old way, what's the point of playing with bogus aids? It breaks the real difficulty of the game. Learned to play without cheating or other, why always have to look for the easy way? It's a shame in arriving there.

Originally posted by bilini:

The best advice is to play normally the old way, what's the point of playing with bogus aids? It breaks the real difficulty of the game. Learned to play without cheating or other, why always have to look for the easy way? It's a shame in arriving there.

"Modding" isn't necessarily "cheating." Mods that help you maintain a stable network connection, mods that allow you to add three-star (or more) creatures into a game, mods that simply show the contents of your chests without you having to open them, mods that link to your Discord.... None of these could be considered "cheating" in any way.

Besides that, let people play how they want to play. If the base game has lost its charm, why criticize someone for wanting to alter that?

Originally posted by bilini:

The best advice is to play normally the old way, what's the point of playing with bogus aids? It breaks the real difficulty of the game. Learned to play without cheating or other, why always have to look for the easy way? It's a shame in arriving there.

Whats it to you? Valheim is missing a lot of QOL stuff that mods cover, so that is why people want "bOgUS aIDs" lol.

Personally been using Nexus with no issues. Happy modding!

Ty guys, i'll use R2modman :)

real men don't use mod managers

drag and drop old school style, lol

Originally posted by burn:

real men don't use mod managers :liam_al:

drag and drop old school style, lol

You might be right on that one haha, might actually be easier to just drag and drop.

Ever since trying to install Skyrim mods manually it has left some kind of trauma to use mod managers for everything.

Originally posted by MrExzibit:

Originally posted by burn:

real men don't use mod managers :liam_al:

drag and drop old school style, lol

You might be right on that one haha, might actually be easier to just drag and drop.

Ever since trying to install Skyrim mods manually it has left some kind of trauma to use mod managers for everything.

I used to drag and drop for this game, but it became a real hassle for a few reasons.

First and foremost, mod managers (or at least r2modman/ThunderstoreModManager) will inform you of updates, and it's as simple as two clicks to update all of your mods. Without the manager, you have to go hunt down all of your mods and manually check.

Secondly, (again, at least with R2MM/TMM) it's a very simple process to share all of your mods. With the managers I mentioned, you can just export your profile as a file for them to download or even just a simple code for your players to input. No need to worry about them accidentally missing one, or having a different configuration, or anything like that.

Third, those mod managers give the option to start he game completely vanilla (for testing or whatever) or for starting modded; there's no need for you to manually go in and move files around when you need to check and see if something is working in vanilla or if it's "just your mods."

The one-click installs are nice, too. ANd the ability to enable/disable without having to go manually delete/move/rename files is a huge plus for when you're trying to lock down a troublesome mod.

It might be more "manly" to make life difficult for yourself, yeah... But I've got enough hair on my chest as it is. :D

Originally posted by MrExzibit:

Originally posted by burn:

real men don't use mod managers :liam_al:

drag and drop old school style, lol

You might be right on that one haha, might actually be easier to just drag and drop.

Ever since trying to install Skyrim mods manually it has left some kind of trauma to use mod managers for everything.

A side benefit of drag and drop is that, if you don’t have Steam set to automatically update Valheim, you can launch the game from its folder so you’ll never need to worry about losing progress… only works if you play solo, though.