Originally posted by Smetrix:

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Well, it is a Wikipedia article so anyone can edit it. But if you didn't read the first paragraph, I can't help you any better. I'm no teacher. The point is, metagaming is when you apply external rules from outside of the game into the game, not opting to use certain type of food in certain types of situation based on your own experience or someone's tips. Nobody is forcing you to use health food, or stamina food, or magic food, unless you let them. A game mechanic being based on an attribute and making use of it in a situation is not "metagaming".

Why did you send me the article if you know its an unreliable source?

And secondly, the first bit of the article only covers one part of how it can be defined, then is broken down further into its usage in other mediums, which the quote I pulled came from the "Computer Games" section.

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

That's the part which has been tagged "citation needed", which is the unreliable part. As I said, I'm not a teacher, you are responsible for your own education as well as not arguing with terms which are not familiar to you.

Originally posted by Pobblebonk:

From my experiences this playstyle is no longer viable in mistlands if you want to use melee weapons and parrying/blocking because 1* and 2* seekers and seeker soldiers hit hard enough to give you 100% stagger even when blocked or parried (a buckler will help but is not always enough).

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by Pobblebonk:

From my experiences this playstyle is no longer viable in mistlands if you want to use melee weapons and parrying/blocking because 1* and 2* seekers and seeker soldiers hit hard enough to give you 100% stagger even when blocked or parried (a buckler will help but is not always enough).

Dodging, footwork, root harnesk, bonemass power and frost weapons exist. If you're doing two stamina foods, you should not be trying to parry each blow from high rank mobs in mistlands. The choice is yours.

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Dodging, footwork, root harnesk, bonemass power and frost weapons exist. If you're doing two stamina foods, you should not be trying to parry each blow from high rank mobs in mistlands. The choice is yours.

Or they could reward good parrying regardless of what foods you are using, instead of forcing meta playstyles just to have a semi decent time.

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Dodging, footwork, root harnesk, bonemass power and frost weapons exist. If you're doing two stamina foods, you should not be trying to parry each blow from high rank mobs in mistlands. The choice is yours.

Originally posted by Pobblebonk:

When using 2 stamina foods I don't mind losing most of my health from a single failed parry because then it is my fault, but I do mind losing almost all of my health despite doing a perfect parry with the best buckler in the game and a decent blocking skill just because I ate different food. As I said in the initial post, it makes no sense that staggering depends on health only.

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by Pobblebonk:

When using 2 stamina foods I don't mind losing most of my health from a single failed parry because then it is my fault, but I do mind losing almost all of my health despite doing a perfect parry with the best buckler in the game and a decent blocking skill just because I ate different food. As I said in the initial post, it makes no sense that staggering depends on health only.

The choice of food and equipment you use in a battle is also your own. Most engagements are decided well before their commencing, and that's no flaw, it's integral part of the survival genre.

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Or they could reward good parrying regardless of what foods you are using, instead of forcing meta playstyles just to have a semi decent time.

Using appropriate amount of appropriate type of food is not metagaming, it's core gameplay feature.

Originally posted by Pobblebonk:

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

The choice of food and equipment you use in a battle is also your own. Most engagements are decided well before their commencing, and that's no flaw, it's integral part of the survival genre.

You are missing the main point of this thread which is that the way staggering is implemented is just not logical.
There are already different benefits to using different foods like being able to run more or take more hits, regen health faster or have access to magic. I think all playstyles should be viable without one being much better than the others which is currently the case.

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Using appropriate amount of appropriate type of food is not metagaming, it's core gameplay feature.

Having to use very specific food combos and playstyles is meta gaming.

Originally posted by Pobblebonk:

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

The choice of food and equipment you use in a battle is also your own. Most engagements are decided well before their commencing, and that's no flaw, it's integral part of the survival genre.

You are missing the main point of this thread which is that the way staggering is implemented is just not logical.
There are already different benefits to using different foods like being able to run more or take more hits, regen health faster or have access to magic. I think all playstyles should be viable without one being much better than the others which is currently the case.

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by Pobblebonk:

You are missing the main point of this thread which is that the way staggering is implemented is just not logical.
There are already different benefits to using different foods like being able to run more or take more hits, regen health faster or have access to magic. I think all playstyles should be viable without one being much better than the others which is currently the case.

Yes, stamina and magic foods currently give more varied benefits, so it's perfectly fine that health foods also do that.

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Having to use very specific food combos and playstyles is meta gaming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Yes, stamina and magic foods currently give more varied benefits, so it's perfectly fine that health foods also do that.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming

"Recently the term metagame has come to be used by some players to describe an emergent methodology that is a subset of the basic strategy necessary to play the game at a high level."

Literally in the article you sent me. Thanks for proving my point lol.

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by Smetrix:

"Recently the term metagame has come to be used by some players to describe an emergent methodology that is a subset of the basic strategy necessary to play the game at a high level."

Literally in the article you sent me. Thanks for proving my point lol.

Well, it is a Wikipedia article so anyone can edit it. But if you didn't read the first paragraph, I can't help you any better. I'm no teacher. The point is, metagaming is when you apply external rules from outside of the game into the game, not opting to use certain type of food in certain types of situation based on your own experience or someone's tips. Nobody is forcing you to use health food, or stamina food, or magic food, unless you let them. A game mechanic being based on an attribute and making use of it in a situation is not "metagaming".