Originally posted by pusymane:

This is a game. I'm at a point where I really don't like discussing anything with your types. "this makes sense cause X in real life". Its not that deep. ... ... Anyways stop telling me how to think of it, and take time to understand the issue im presenting.

Yes, Valheim is a game. Amazing. A game usually tries to simulate real world. Taming in Valheim takes time.

Maybe you need to use console commands or maybe there is some mods, if you want to skip the taming process. I think taming is fine as it is.

Originally posted by Tuittu:

Originally posted by pusymane:

This is a game. I'm at a point where I really don't like discussing anything with your types. "this makes sense cause X in real life". Its not that deep. ... ... Anyways stop telling me how to think of it, and take time to understand the issue im presenting.

Yes, Valheim is a game. Amazing. A game usually tries to simulate real world. Taming in Valheim takes time.

Maybe you need to use console commands or maybe there is some mods, if you want to skip the taming process. I think taming is fine as it is.

this game is not trying to simulate the real world. its a fantasy universe based on norse mythology mixed with minecraft.

would you like to wait i.e 20-30 minutes for your bread to bake in the stone oven?
would you like to wait 2-3 hours per serpent stew produce?
would you like to only get honey from your bees 3 in-game months out of 12?

no.
don't be ridiculous :)

Practice your sneak while they tame, perfect multi tasking activity.

Originally posted by pusymane:

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

Switch tasks to something you can do near by when you get something that needs taming. Plant and harvest crops, use the kiln to turn wood into coal for the next time you get ore or scrap, stock up on arrows, add those decorations to your base you have been putting off, fill your sconces, hearths, and other fires. Get ahead on cooking so that you don't have to stop and do that before your next big explore.

Lots of routine tasks that you have to do anyway. Just do them while you tame.

already done.... i knew someone would comment this, what if i had nothing boring to do nearby? I think being nearby is just restricting and it takes like 30-45 mins of my realtime to do so. so for 30-45 mins i just afk and do thing irl because all my tasks in game are finished. Maybe instead of telling me the obvious take time to realize what it is that I'm suggesting and think whether this is something you also want from the developers. The ability to leave the wolf/ animal and come back to it being tamed.

I once tamed some feral kittens. Strangely enough I had to be around them for them to get accustomed to me. I had a quonset hut office at a construction site. Their mother had them in the parts shack and they were starting to wander around so I set some food out and opened the back door. When I heard them start exploring around the back I went out the front door and around back and closed the door. Then I walked around and went back in the front door and they freaked out and tried to get back out the closed back door. I sat down and did paper work for about an hour and when they realized that I wasn't going to hurt them they started exploring around. I broke out some double cheeseburgers and shared them around and then let the kittens back out.

Next day I brought food and milk and when I set them out the kittens came up without any issues. By the end of the week. I could scratch on them while they ate. The week after that they would let me pick them up.

Valheim seems to have nailed it. If you don't want to spend time taming don't use tamed creatures. There are always other tasks you can do while things tame. You can even set aside tasks if you know you are going to be taming.

When I tamed boars I was still in the stone age. I made a pen, got boars inside, and built a lodge and put a stake wall around it all while the boars tamed.

When I tamed my first wolf I had a couple of extra chests of sliver ore waiting to be smelted and I did that while the wolves tamed.

When I tamed Lox. I harvested barley and flax and planted more while they tamed and I expanded my lodge so I had room for 2 more portals.

Just like the rest of the game planning ahead is the key to success. I always leave low priority tasks to do if I know I'm going to be taming eventually. Standing around doing nothing while they tame is a choice. There is always something extra you can do for at least part of the time and you don't have to tame all in one session if you don't need or want to.

kinda feel like the guy above did not read through the thread.
the problem with taming is that the process constantly gets interrupted even if you do what you need to do (stay far away yet close enough, have no fires around, put in food etc.) because mobs will spawn inside and outside the taming pen.

3-4 hours to tame a lox is atrociously long, especially considering i did exactly what you suggested, which was to do some busywork while waiting for them to tame - in my case, seeding and harvesting flax and barley > producing flour and linen, and clearing the occasional goblin raid.
the problem is the fact that mobs spawn near (and inside) their pen, spooks them, and unless you clear the mobs out it ends up in a sort of stalemate between the aggro'd lox and the low tier mob trying to path through the wall to kill each other.

if there is a bloody stake wall (multi-layered) neither the lox or the mob outside the pen should be able to see/aggro each other. instead they both act like the wall is transparent.
nor should mobs even spawn inside the confines of said stake wall (and yes, i did have workbenches up surrounding the pen, unfortunately for me, the lox will simply break the workbench if i build it inside the pen).

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

Earthen wall for lox. You can surround the workbenches with earthen walls so that the lox can't break them and they keep the other mobs from spawning. You build a set of earthen stairs that you have to make small jumps to climb so the lox can't climb them. Leave a gap in the wall opposite from your earthen stairs wide enough to let a lox in and go look for a nearby spot that has 2 or 3 lox. Get their attention, lure them through the gap and over to your earthen stairs, you climb the stairs. they get stuck, you sprint by them along your earthen wall and then raise terrain and seal them in. Throw in some cloudberries and then go harvest and plant some barley or flax while they tame.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2910785269

You can indeed do this, but I find just finding a group of loxes, sneaking up behind one then throwing stacks of half a dozen cloudberries at it and nearby and running away will do the job. You just have to have the stacks divided up beforehand since you will likely have to throw all but the first one while running from pursuing loxes. It works fine since they generally return to their spawn area once de-aggroed.

If you dont like that, or they arent returning to their spawn area which now has berries all over the place, then just make a 5x5 or so raised earth platform for yourself with a hole in the middle, aggro the loxes, and run onto your platform where they cant get you, throw berries around the area then get in the hole and stealth till they lose aggro and start eating.

Originally posted by Lil brekky:

I think it makes sense. An animal wont form a bond with you if you drop some food on the ground and walk away. It sort of simulates the need for your presence so the animal associates the good with you.

Except they won't tame if they know you're there, so where's the bonding?

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

Switch tasks to something you can do near by when you get something that needs taming. Plant and harvest crops, use the kiln to turn wood into coal for the next time you get ore or scrap, stock up on arrows, add those decorations to your base you have been putting off, fill your sconces, hearths, and other fires. Get ahead on cooking so that you don't have to stop and do that before your next big explore.

Lots of routine tasks that you have to do anyway. Just do them while you tame.

It's much easier to tame something where you find it, which isn't necessarily anywhere near your base. And you can't really make too much noise and build a base around the pen.

Fortunately there's really no reason to tame anything.

bro i kid you not, i spent about 3-4 hours yesterday, trying to tame a lox because respawning low tier mobs (boars, deer, necks, greylings) kept spawning around the pen i made for it.
if it wasn't the mobs triggering it, it was my presence as i tried to clear them out.
had to repair and rebuild parts of the pen up to 11 times before my first lox was finally tamed, and it broke free and tried to run off (chasing a deer) at least twice, which was frustrating af.
for my 2nd lox i decided to make a double layered pen wall, but that didn't stop the lox from getting triggered by low tier mobs spawning both inside and outside the pen, which increased tame time quite significantly.

imo the taming mechanic is the worst designed part of the game.
boars are easy to tame, it doesn't take too long and they don't require that much space, which means there's a smaller chance they'll be constantly spooked by new spawns.
wolves aren't that bad either since mountains biome is largely empty of mobs (with the exception of drakes) but the time it takes to tame one is pretty sleep inducing.
the lox is by far the major sinner, it takes a very long time to tame them even with no enemy presence, but once you add constant (buggy?) respawn rates into the mix, it gets really really bothersome.

i even built the taming pen in meadows (next to the plains biome) to make it as easy as possible, but once i did that the spawnrates of mobs just went berserk for some reason.

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

Switch tasks to something you can do near by when you get something that needs taming. Plant and harvest crops, use the kiln to turn wood into coal for the next time you get ore or scrap, stock up on arrows, add those decorations to your base you have been putting off, fill your sconces, hearths, and other fires. Get ahead on cooking so that you don't have to stop and do that before your next big explore.

Lots of routine tasks that you have to do anyway. Just do them while you tame.

already done.... i knew someone would comment this, what if i had nothing boring to do nearby? I think being nearby is just restricting and it takes like 30-45 mins of my realtime to do so. so for 30-45 mins i just afk and do thing irl because all my tasks in game are finished. Maybe instead of telling me the obvious take time to realize what it is that I'm suggesting and think whether this is something you also want from the developers. The ability to leave the wolf/ animal and come back to it being tamed.

Earthen wall for lox. You can surround the workbenches with earthen walls so that the lox can't break them and they keep the other mobs from spawning. You build a set of earthen stairs that you have to make small jumps to climb so the lox can't climb them. Leave a gap in the wall opposite from your earthen stairs wide enough to let a lox in and go look for a nearby spot that has 2 or 3 lox. Get their attention, lure them through the gap and over to your earthen stairs, you climb the stairs. they get stuck, you sprint by them along your earthen wall and then raise terrain and seal them in. Throw in some cloudberries and then go harvest and plant some barley or flax while they tame.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2910785269

Originally posted by Lil brekky:

I think it makes sense. An animal wont form a bond with you if you drop some food on the ground and walk away. It sort of simulates the need for your presence so the animal associates the good with you.

This is a game. I'm at a point where I really don't like discussing anything with your types. "this makes sense cause X in real life". Its not that deep. My tame only responds to pats and food and it will either follow or stay, and attack enemy faction. It has no other commands and isn't Dogmeat from Fallout series. Its just a replaceable tool to help you fight the npc enemies. when i plan to go to another land mass i cant really take him with me unless i decide to do extra gamebreaking things like force him on a boat with me. He cant follow me thru portals so once im done with him thats it. also we are talking 30-45 minutes of Real Life Time im spending instead of playing the game sitting there and watching him get tamed. The developers may have not realized that this could be an issue for fun aspect of their game and are hopefully willing to modify it as they see fit. Or they can keep it and basically breeding and taming will be niche as it isnt even necessary to complete the game. But a cumbersome feature isn't really a feature at that point. Anyways stop telling me how to think of it, and take time to understand the issue im presenting.

Originally posted by Archdeacon Monseigneur:

bro i kid you not, i spent about 3-4 hours yesterday, trying to tame a lox because respawning low tier mobs (boars, deer, necks, greylings) kept spawning around the pen i made for it.
if it wasn't the mobs triggering it, it was my presence as i tried to clear them out.
had to repair and rebuild parts of the pen up to 11 times before my first lox was finally tamed, and it broke free and tried to run off (chasing a deer) at least twice, which was frustrating af.
for my 2nd lox i decided to make a double layered pen wall, but that didn't stop the lox from getting triggered by low tier mobs spawning both inside and outside the pen, which increased tame time quite significantly.

imo the taming mechanic is the worst designed part of the game.
boars are easy to tame, it doesn't take too long and they don't require that much space, which means there's a smaller chance they'll be constantly spooked by new spawns.
wolves aren't that bad either since mountains biome is largely empty of mobs (with the exception of drakes) but the time it takes to tame one is pretty sleep inducing.
the lox is by far the major sinner, it takes a very long time to tame them even with no enemy presence, but once you add constant (buggy?) respawn rates into the mix, it gets really really bothersome.

i even built the taming pen in meadows (next to the plains biome) to make it as easy as possible, but once i did that the spawnrates of mobs just went berserk for some reason.

Hopefully Devs see this, its a pain in the ass to just sit there and watch them tame. And clearing out mobs spooks them pausing their tame rate for like 2 mins. This feature needs a simple work around. It would be better if you could throw it meat walk away and go explore or dungeon raiding and comeback to a tamed beast. They would need to work that into the logic of the game like Mob here, food nearby, conditions met, start taming process.

I also noticed that mobs spawn rates exploded. insane amount of boars, lizards, deer, and goblins. Freaking lox would go berserk at everything and breakout.

I think it makes sense. An animal wont form a bond with you if you drop some food on the ground and walk away. It sort of simulates the need for your presence so the animal associates the good with you.

I kind of agree with OP. If the game revolved around forming a long lasting relationship with your tame that you get more out of than fresh meat... than maybe. But it is a strange and cumbersome process for sure. My only hope is that they'll dedicate a development sprint or 2 on balance and polish for things like taming, gardening - gathering - harvest - cooking - crafting yield efficiencies when the right amount of grind has been put in.

Switch tasks to something you can do near by when you get something that needs taming. Plant and harvest crops, use the kiln to turn wood into coal for the next time you get ore or scrap, stock up on arrows, add those decorations to your base you have been putting off, fill your sconces, hearths, and other fires. Get ahead on cooking so that you don't have to stop and do that before your next big explore.

Lots of routine tasks that you have to do anyway. Just do them while you tame.