Your most common cause of death post H&H

There are a lot of threads and complaints about the stamina system. Some complaints may be valid, some might not be. This isn't a thread for discussing the stamina system but one to get a bit of perspective if stamina drain through combat is a primary cause of death or not.

To make it easy - what cause most deaths for you in Valheim after the release of H&H?
1. Stamina related: Prolonged combat which ultimately leaves you defenceless, trying to run away from stronger enemies?
2. Other causes - trees falling, fall damage, failed combat (one hit deaths, missed blocks, or just going up against too strong enemies), surprise attacks where you're unprepared (deathsquitos, wolfs while mining)?

If you're in the '1' camp - are you actively managing your food intake (eating good food for combat), are you usually rested, are you actively managing your stamina while in combat, do you use stamina potions?

For me, stamina management does pose an issue at times, but I rarely die due to it. I die now and then, but more often due to my own mistakes than from having to low stamina if I have managed it appropriately.
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jonnin replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 6:20:37 am PDT

I died once to the new tarball enemy. Nothing else. Stamina requires you to eat balanced meals, adjusted that a bit but never died even with the wrong food, I just had to run around recovering for a bit. If not for the forums, I would not know that there were stamina problems... not sure what people are doing there.
Oh, and cooking gets an honorable mention ... I had 1hp left due to the new shorter range on the cauldron. (If I do not get close enough it lets me make like 2 items then closes the menu, and if I do get close enough, there is danger of fire damage).

I expected to see dethsquito complaining again since they got a bit of a buff due to the new block mechanics.
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Some Kinda Kobold replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 5:58:49 am PDT

i think my own most Common cause of death is just 'Drauger', And not because I've died repeatedly to them in the swamp, but because 2 of my very few deaths just happened to involve them. Once to a 2-star Drauger in the swamp while all I had was Bronze armor. And Once to an invasion while I was ill prepared.

Otherwise only a couple other deaths and related either to bad timing or I was afk.

As for Stamina related deaths, I really don't see how so MANY people are dying to it.

- Maybe people are eating nothing but HP-focused foods?
- People aren't at all utilizing Stamina Potions?
- People will run/swing their weapons constantly at zero stamina without letting it recover?
- People don't realize being Wet/cold reduces Stamina bar/Recharge time?
- People ignore Comfort Rating and the 'Rested' Mechanics?
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Damnion replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 6:08:10 am PDT

Raids while I'm putting up an earthen wall around a new portal. Never seem to get raids after I've finished defenses, only before. RNG is trolling me hard.
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Fyra'Nok replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 6:19:42 am PDT

Originally posted by Some Kinda Kobold:
i think my own most Common cause of death is just 'Drauger', And not because I've died repeatedly to them in the swamp, but because 2 of my very few deaths just happened to involve them. Once to a 2-star Drauger in the swamp while all I had was Bronze armor. And Once to an invasion while I was ill prepared.

Otherwise only a couple other deaths and related either to bad timing or I was afk.

As for Stamina related deaths, I really don't see how so MANY people are dying to it.

- Maybe people are eating nothing but HP-focused foods?
- People aren't at all utilizing Stamina Potions?
- People will run/swing their weapons constantly at zero stamina without letting it recover?
- People don't realize being Wet/cold reduces Stamina bar/Recharge time?
- People ignore Comfort Rating and the 'Rested' Mechanics?

*food run out and effect degrade long before the food has run out. it is also very bothersome having to farm to keep foodbuffs on fulltime, a lot of the time is spent with no food or very little. the timers on foods are also easily unbalanced.
*none really want stamina potions. let alone carry them around.
*people do play the game and utilize their character, yes. you know, hitting mobs and trees.
*being wet is not something you can really control, unless playing like a caveman at the slightest sight of bad weather. having to "rest" every 10-20 min in this game where it's a rush to take advantage of daytime is beyond annoying.

i build and restore huts everywhere. do i ever use them to refresh my 20 minute buff from main base? no. it comes down to a choice: play or tend to tedious boredom.

much more can be said. if there is no player choice in game and the game just force you down a streamlined path im not gonna bother elaborate on the value of such a game.
2:13 pm, September 25, 2021
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ladyeternity replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 1:31:34 am PDT

2: Trees and general bugs ( prolly around 20-30 times since playing ) Trees are THE biggest culprit hehe.

I've only died like 7 times due to combat or me being and idiot the entire time I've been playing.

Twice to Trolls, once because I went into the Troll Cave not realizing about Trolls and then stupidly thinking "man I can totally take him" hahaha. Second troll death was because I missed a beat while convincing the troll to mine copper for me :).

Then when I first started I didn't know about slimes. I ran up to melee it, got poisoned, killed it then died lol. And I've been backstabbed by wraith's in the swamp twice at night (sneaky little buggers).

I've been killed by wolves twice before I figured out their mechanics and how strong I need to be to take one (they hit super fast and hard).

So yup. None were due to Stamina issues. All of those deaths were before HH. I've not even come close to dying from stamina post HH. Only change between then and now is then: I never ran 3 top food unless I was adventuring and in danger, I saved it for when I really needed it. Now: I eat three food and have them running all the time. One for straight health, one balanced and one for stamina. Oh and also I should probably say I always keep the well rested buff on. I have satellite "camps" all over for it, and generally try to avoid being in the rain or being cold unless I have the well rested on. Would be suicide otherwise, especially with the amount of dwarves in the Blackforest now.
11:13 am, September 25, 2021
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deadshooter replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 1:38:15 am PDT

my two most common deaths

1. Two star fulings - one tapping you into the dust through blocks and armor

2. You being hunted event - too much hits per second, staggering bar filled too quickly
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Mr B. replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 2:44:48 am PDT

Not died since update, but stamina has brought me closest (and I'm very careful).

Or rather, stamina Regen rate being stupidly low. Just managed to walk around in circles until I had enough to boost up onto a rock.
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Eekhoorn replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 3:04:34 am PDT

stamina has brought me closest (and I'm very careful).

Which is a pretty good balance if you ask me. Games like No Man's Sky are a cakewalk. I love their world, but ultimately there's no challenge to it. Everything is there just to be there.

In Valheim I can survive and not die, but not at my leisure. I HAVE to be careful, think, size up the situation and even then, it's not a cakewalk - but completely fair and possible. I really love this about the game.
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Draconifors replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 3:13:35 am PDT

Trees. :steamhappy:

They've killed me twice or thrice, greydwarves once (I wasn't used to the new combat yet and wandered too near a Black Forest early on), and skeletons once (I relied too much on my wooden round shield when mobbed in a dungeon).
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Mr B. replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 3:14:51 am PDT

Originally posted by Eekhoorn:
stamina has brought me closest (and I'm very careful).

Which is a pretty good balance if you ask me. Games like No Man's Sky are a cakewalk. I love their world, but ultimately there's no challenge to it. Everything is there just to be there.

In Valheim I can survive and not die, but not at my leisure. I HAVE to be careful, think, size up the situation and even then, it's not a cakewalk - but completely fair and possible. I really love this about the game.

I don't want to turn this into a stamina is bad thread, there's enough of those already. But on the slim chance a dev or info gatherer is reading this, I very much dislike the stamina - it's not made anything harder for me, just more tedious.
11:13 am, September 25, 2021
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MiTzong replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 3:32:15 am PDT

i started fresh with HH
i'm in the mountain atm
i died once...
I was cooking my carrots soups and sausages and i had no food so 25HP
Then suddenly YOU DIED tombstone...
Chimnay smoke is a ♥♥♥♥♥....

I understand the food change fury though.Devs went a bit overboard.
The idea is not bad per se but poor implementation.
With 4 food slots mite be cool
But last biomes require both stamina and HP

Besides that expansion is cool

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Sentient Entropy replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 3:40:36 am PDT

Twice by falling or jumping down a hill while hungry, once by troll and once by a draugr shooting arrows from underwater. Really only miffed about the last one.
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Eekhoorn replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 3:42:20 am PDT

Originally posted by Mr B.:
Originally posted by Eekhoorn:

Which is a pretty good balance if you ask me. Games like No Man's Sky are a cakewalk. I love their world, but ultimately there's no challenge to it. Everything is there just to be there.

In Valheim I can survive and not die, but not at my leisure. I HAVE to be careful, think, size up the situation and even then, it's not a cakewalk - but completely fair and possible. I really love this about the game.

I don't want to turn this into a stamina is bad thread, there's enough of those already. But on the slim chance a dev or info gatherer is reading this, I very much dislike the stamina - it's not made anything harder for me, just more tedious.

Wasn't targeting stamina.
I refrain from that discussion as well. I was merely giving my opinion on the subject... Dying in the game and how I feel about that as a player.
11:13 am, September 25, 2021
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Eekhoorn replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 12:42:35 am PDT

I've had many deaths when I just started in February until I learned how to be careful. Took a little break from the game and returned for H&H. Started a new character and world... haven't died so far.

This game is a bit like No Man's Sky... a relaxing world where I know what to do and how to survive. Valheim itself is way more daunting than NMS, but the same principle is true: when you know what you're doing, you don't have to die. I like that... it compliments the player.
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Funnybear replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 1:04:33 am PDT

I'm dying through stamina. for a system that requires the player to manage it (food, time of day rested) which we can all work with, it really doesn't like you using it.

It still drops you in situations you cannot 'manage'.

My last two big ones that are causing me to drop the game was one before H&H, trying to fight Moder on a mountain top which I was given in that seed. Even with Landscaping, the spawns of drakes and the stamina cost of trying to jump around navigating a mountain biome was just too much and then running into a random Golem, just took anything enjoyable out the game. It's not that I don't want to die. It's part of the game. But it's the being left in positions of helplessness that feel are no fault of your own.

And the second just happened.

I started a new seed for H&H after my arse ache with Moder (This is with silver everything btw, and upgraded everything) and I whilst I was using my last char with decent armour I could already see how hard this would be without decent armour.

Mining copper in wolf gear, grey dwarves are an annoyance. But mining as a new player must be nigh on impossible right now.

But anyway, played through the biomes building up my bases again. Got meadow, forest and swamp on my home island. I'm good to go for the longboat and find Mountain and Plains.

So, I land on a Forest/Plains border land. Start laying down the foundations of a new base, just quick, need to get that portal up but I've had them destroyed before so wanna protect it.

This is in daylight, picking off the the odd greydwarf and fuling. No drama, I've not pushed the map because I don't wanna agro anything.

But I must have disturbed something whilst flattening an added bit of land as I get a black ooze strike from nowhere. Had no idea it was there. Even with wolf armour, thats a massive hit. Then before I know it, I'm getting a fuling swarm, I'm trying to run away, I'm trying to get back to the long ship. I'm done on stamina, I'm just missing fuling swings trying to get that little bit of stamina.

And then I run into more greydwarves, they just appear from nowhere. It was a Deathmozzie that done me. Just watched it coming across my screen, and I just thought 'I think thats that then, time to put this game back down'

I can't run, I can't move, I can't do anything. THATS the frustrating element of this game. The feeling of utter uselessness through no fault of your own.

So, yea, Whilst I can sort of grasp the new stamina food system, the world isn't built to work with it. It drops you in the crap too much and no matter how well you have 'managed' your stamina and location, your gear and you're ability the game will just screw you over.

It's like trying to appease someone who is never happy. I've got enough people in my life I can't please, without having a game get me asking 'what else do you want me to do?' as well.

8:13 am, September 25, 2021
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BGratz replied to Your most common cause of death post H&H September 25, 2021 @ 1:06:57 am PDT

Could not Escape a Starred Boar on Day 1 --> Wheelchhair broke
(accepted permadeath)

Could not escape a Troll on day 3-5 --> Wheelchair broke
(accepted permadeath)

Falldamage from jumping in base (so no foodbuffs at that moment)
(Fallback to backup savegame, i see this as a bug)
8:13 am, September 25, 2021
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