Exploration discouraged?

IK, there are a lot of posts about game difficulty but here i would like address core feature or in my current experience problem with the game.
Mb i am doing something wrong, but currently i have an expression that game, despite trying to give you impression that you are free, in fact keeps you on a very short leash. In particular, you are intentended to cicle through biomes in strict order (meadows - forest-swamp etc) and keep following order: carefull exploration of a biome to acquire gear small upgrades and establish a foothold + some basic knowledge about locals. Second, farm gear, third miniboses and then local boss.
This idea is fine to keep procedural world in order (tho many survival games dont follow that approach e.g. Dont starve), but main problem implementation. No matter how well upgraded you gear is - trying to deviate from this order will result in death. And as follows, having to rebuilt (and having to rebuilt ship alone if you play solo is already by itself a huge pain in the ass) just to get your gear back, you dont get anything on top of that, which is massive waste.
So, as i said, all it goes mostly from my personal experience and some threads i have read. So, examples, having top bronze gear (e.g. forest biome level done) did literally nothing to help me survive the swamp, after some grinding mobs on a shore i just got overwhelmed because i just dont do enogh damage to keep fighting and exploring (and we are not discussing poison). Then i decided to go and explore a bit, so i got myself into plains, where... i got 100hp to 0 by a goblin or whatever it was with a thrown spear out of fog.
And those are only today. So, i cant help myself but notice how strong ludonarrative dissonance (by encouraging exploration on paper but instakilling you when you actually do that) is growing while i am plaing this game, strangly enough since actual forest doesnt follow this pattern, where you are allowed to explore even being under equiped, but during the day, or mountains where you are softly discouraged with frost damage. It is even worse cause in my to cases i wasnt able to even disengage (trying to hop a boat in swamp would just get me killed and in plains i was one shot (by a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stone spear from some skinny(!) creature) cause just numbers.
My problem is that i actually expected the game to keep on having same attitude as mountains or forest and provide more pressure from biome-specific mechanic rather than just pushing you out with damage numbers alone. And second, more mechanic - how hard it is do dissengage (most of my death came from trying to hop a boat or run away)
So what are you thoughts? I am pretty sure everyone here got molded more than once by the game just because you wondered somewhere it didnt expect you.
11:13 pm, October 25, 2021
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76561197969619830 replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 2:45:43 pm PDT

I don't know, I think you are complaining about the general development of the game as intended by its developers. That is the progression dynamic they selected, and it is not likely that it will ever change. If you are looking for a truly open world game where you can go do what you want when you want, this probably is not it and never will be.
5:13 pm, October 26, 2021
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HarmlessYoda replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 6:54:57 pm PDT

Originally posted by Nightweaver20xx:
Everyone keeps saying "get troll armor" but I've run into 2 trolls so far and I've done almost no damage to them while they kill me in like two hits.


It sounds like you are really new to the game, or not that skilled with this style of combat. So you will have to work on your own skills as well as part of it. Prior to getting bronze and a decent buckler shield i recommend kiting trolls using fire arrow and kill them at way.

Learn to roll dodge to avoid being hit, and use the axe on trolls, it is probably stronger than the basic club until you get upgraded weapons

The surtling cores are little red cubes and they are generally in almost every single tomb. Maybe 1 in 10 does not have any, most have 3-8 of them. Some if you are crazy lucky have 15+ and some will only have 1. It is luck but it is just a process of finding them and exploring them.

The tombs should be easy with club, leather armor and wooden buckler. you can stagger the skellies with a parry (well timed block) and then you can 2 shot the skelly. As soon as you get those cores to get a smelter going do it, and upgrade to bronze.

Good luck
2:13 am, October 26, 2021
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Nightweaver20xx replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 4:50:51 pm PDT

Myself, I've hit a roadblock right after Eikthyr (yes, that early). The game asks me to go find surtling cores in Burial Chambers in the Black Forest to build a smelter and kiln. The problem is, after repeated testing, I've determined that surtling cores are NOT guaranteed to even be in a burial chamber. I've run through quite a few that have none at all. So what the game expects me to do is randomly explore an extremely dangerous section of the game with no guarantee of finding what I need (chambers or cores) all while the clock ticks on the day and heaven help you if you're caught outside at night.

I have fully upgraded leather armor. I have club skill leveled up pretty far. I eat 3 meats for 115 HP. I try to time my blocks and know how to parry. But it's just not enough. Without fail, almost every burial chamber I go into kills me by gang-rushing like 4 or 5 skeles at me, some of which are one-star which are stupidly tanky and hit like a truck. Then they all corner me in a dead-end corridor and I die and have to do my umpteenth death run to go get my gear with 25 HP.

tl;dr I sort of agree with OP. I understand the progression system, but I just feel that this game is simply too hard for me. Getting to and killing Eikthyr was pretty easy, but dear lord after that it's a nightmare. I honestly don't think I'm good enough for Valheim, and I've played the likes of Dark Souls and Terraria, so I know what survival craft and character action games are about. This one just feels unfair in some parts.
2:13 am, October 26, 2021
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Uldra replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 5:20:17 pm PDT

I used a fully upgraded troll armor till I got to the mountains playing solo without console commands. Stealth game play is very overlooked I feel like but guess makes sense since we're supposed to be ruthless warriors not stealthy assasins lol

Even when I did things in plain area because my sneaking was up to 45 (56 with armor) I find it more helpful to have a troll armor than anything else.

To Compare:

Fully upgraded troll armor: 36 armor, +25% to sneaking and technically +10% movement speed if you're used to wearing other armor.

Basic Bronze armor = 24 armor and -10% movement speed.
Fully upgraded bronze armor = 42 armor and -10% movement speed - 25% to stealth

Basic iron armor = fully upgraded bronze
Fully upgraded iron = 60 armor etc.

Basic silver = fully upgraded iron
Fully upgraded silver = 78 armor etc.

Basic silver armor is probably worth the switch for taking 24 less damage with every hit and also keeps you warm.

Padded armor is 100% worth switching - armor is just too much to pass up.

Other tips to stay alive:

1) Find a small island next to the swamp or what ever biome you're going for and setup a portal there. Has to be somewhere no mob can reach you / no mobs there to kill.

2) When running away, which happens often, sprint till you're at 20% stamina and then sneak away (even more effective with troll armor)

3) Always have a back up ship at your spawn point.
2:13 am, October 26, 2021
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Potato Cat replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 6:33:18 pm PDT

Originally posted by Nightweaver20xx:
Myself, I've hit a roadblock right after Eikthyr (yes, that early). The game asks me to go find surtling cores in Burial Chambers in the Black Forest to build a smelter and kiln. The problem is, after repeated testing, I've determined that surtling cores are NOT guaranteed to even be in a burial chamber. I've run through quite a few that have none at all. So what the game expects me to do is randomly explore an extremely dangerous section of the game with no guarantee of finding what I need (chambers or cores) all while the clock ticks on the day and heaven help you if you're caught outside at night.

I have fully upgraded leather armor. I have club skill leveled up pretty far. I eat 3 meats for 115 HP. I try to time my blocks and know how to parry. But it's just not enough. Without fail, almost every burial chamber I go into kills me by gang-rushing like 4 or 5 skeles at me, some of which are one-star which are stupidly tanky and hit like a truck. Then they all corner me in a dead-end corridor and I die and have to do my umpteenth death run to go get my gear with 25 HP.

tl;dr I sort of agree with OP. I understand the progression system, but I just feel that this game is simply too hard for me. Getting to and killing Eikthyr was pretty easy, but dear lord after that it's a nightmare. I honestly don't think I'm good enough for Valheim, and I've played the likes of Dark Souls and Terraria, so I know what survival craft and character action games are about. This one just feels unfair in some parts.
troll armor and upgraded club with a shield, mabye even a bone tower shield, and the tomb is easy as all hell. And the forest is not at all dangerfull with you get that stuff, if you keep moving a troll can never hit you, and graywarfs well only brutes are tiresome. If you can't find what you are looking for, try moving to a new seed with all your stuff?

Edit to add, each map is randomly generated with a seed.
Could you mabye share this seed? and tell us when you made it? Since each update changes the seeds a bit.
2:13 am, October 26, 2021
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Nightweaver20xx replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 6:44:45 pm PDT

Everyone keeps saying "get troll armor" but I've run into 2 trolls so far and I've done almost no damage to them while they kill me in like two hits.
2:13 am, October 26, 2021
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TooTall1 replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 6:47:37 pm PDT

Originally posted by Nightweaver20xx:
Everyone keeps saying "get troll armor" but I've run into 2 trolls so far and I've done almost no damage to them while they kill me in like two hits.
Fire arrows, upgraded crude bow, hit him first while sneaking and him not seeing you, then kite him around obstacles while jogging, NOT sprinting, and you will easily wear him down.
Edit: If you have a bronze ax get a finewood bow, even easier
2:13 am, October 26, 2021
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Potato Cat replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 6:47:39 pm PDT

Originally posted by Nightweaver20xx:
Everyone keeps saying "get troll armor" but I've run into 2 trolls so far and I've done almost no damage to them while they kill me in like two hits.
Okey first of dont get to close, they hit hard as you know, just keep moving and back tracking, and spam arrows at the ♥♥♥♥♥♥, fire is good but flint or wood also does the trick.
If you stand still you are doing it wrong, if you are trying to fight it melee you are doing it wrong, just pelt it with arrows till it dies, if you move back(back tracking) while shooting it, it will never hit you, it have too slow attack speed.

Also headshots deal extra dmg, but it can be hard to hit the head.
2:13 am, October 26, 2021
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TooTall1 replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 6:52:05 pm PDT

Originally posted by Potato Cat:
Originally posted by Nightweaver20xx:
Everyone keeps saying "get troll armor" but I've run into 2 trolls so far and I've done almost no damage to them while they kill me in like two hits.
Okey first of dont get to close, they hit hard as you know, just keep moving and back tracking, and spam arrows at the ♥♥♥♥♥♥, fire is good but flint or wood also does the trick.
If you stand still you are doing it wrong, if you are trying to fight it melee you are doing it wrong, just pelt it with arrows till it dies, if you move back(back tracking) while shooting it, it will never hit you, it have too slow attack speed.

Also headshots deal extra dmg, but it can be hard to hit the head.
Yeah, this^^

He cant move through closely packed trees or over vertical rock faces like you can.
2:13 am, October 26, 2021
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Frostbringer replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 2:31:47 pm PDT

I disagree. For my group, sailing around the world exploring the map is a huge thing we do, and yes, sometimes we pay the price in getting too close to a higher level biome.

That’s part of the challenge of the game, brutal is even part of the game description.

We learn and adapt to what the game throws at us, and even work on making things easier by doing out of the ordinary things.

Hate having your Lox breeding/meat supply stuck in a high ridk area like the plans ?

One will fit on the largest boat. We transported two back to our main meadows base. 😂😂😂
11:13 pm, October 25, 2021
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Lenny Rat replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 2:45:43 pm PDT

I don't know, I think you are complaining about the general development of the game as intended by its developers. That is the progression dynamic they selected, and it is not likely that it will ever change. If you are looking for a truly open world game where you can go do what you want when you want, this probably is not it and never will be.
11:13 pm, October 25, 2021
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wizard_of_woz replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 3:00:26 pm PDT

Well since most people beat the swamp in troll armor that kinda kills your whole argument.
11:13 pm, October 25, 2021
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Ryzilynt replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 3:12:43 pm PDT

#1 What do you consider a "miniboss" out of curiosity.

#2 I have gotten Iron and silver before defeating bonemass in past play thoroughs.

#3 Just play the game and have fun however you'd like. If you cannot find a fun experience after trying , and possibly even reading the internets, then you should play something else, or nothing at all.

11:13 pm, October 25, 2021
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HarmlessYoda replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 3:39:44 pm PDT

Honestly have to disagree entirely... The game is 100% open do what you want.

If your skill or gear is not good enough to go to an area you learn a valuable lesson while exploring. You learn you can go there, but it is unwise to do so until prepared.

I am not even sure what you want? A scaling difficulty in all areas that increases as you level up like skyrim? This is not skyrim, progression in this game is getting into areas of higher difficulty, starting out by just getting by, almost dying etc. Then by the end of your time in that area, thriving in that zone with new gear and new skills (player skills and knowledge of mechanics).

I like being outnumbered, outmatched or under prepared every once and a while it means there is still a challenge, still something to learn and defeat. If it is all a cake walk then it is a pure time sink with no accomplishments to achieve.
11:13 pm, October 25, 2021
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Sprocket66 replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 3:40:21 pm PDT

Strange, pretty much every computer game that I've played since the early 80's (Wizardry) has the character start off weak and slowly build strength to take on stronger opponents. Tabletop games such as DnD used this progression arc as well. The start of online gaming had text based worlds (Gemstone, Dragonrealms) with a weak to strong progression. Even MMO's such as Everquest, Warcraft, CoH, etc follow this model.

All the above games had the weak to strong progression arc and allowed the player to stray into higher level area's where they could get one-shotted by high level baddies. So, with close to 50 years of games using progression systems why are you surprised that Valheim does as well? You are free to explore the whole map if you want, but if you run into baddies you aren't ready for then bad things will happen.
11:13 pm, October 25, 2021
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Nodeninja replied to Exploration discouraged? October 25, 2021 @ 3:42:29 pm PDT

It honestly sounds like you are going a little too 'YOLO' around the swamp, since it is generally explored wearing troll or bronze armor by most players. You do have to pay attention to the food you bring, learn to time your blocks, bring poison resistance, etc. Also, if you think you are about to push your limits, it's not too difficult to have an emergency portal at your respawn point. If you aren't travelling with portal mats, then you are indeed asking for trouble.
11:13 pm, October 25, 2021
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