Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses
The whole building is on workbench area. A lot of support wood pillar is used for supporting the structure. But only in that place roof and horizontal pillar is collapses and I cannot realize why it happens. Other part of building is the same and no problems with it (but it still strange why all roof is red).
https://youtu.be/I35sdQQwnCg
P.S. playing not so much, sorry if question is too boring :)
https://youtu.be/I35sdQQwnCg
P.S. playing not so much, sorry if question is too boring :)
11:13 am, May 18, 2022
GrinfilledCelt replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 19, 2022 @ 12:14:30 am PDT
Is that so? **** [Goes to check it out] **** My gods, you're right! I laid down a paving stone next to a tall tower and made two stacks One of 4m corewood poles and the other of 2m corewood poles. Both went up to (i think it was) 20m and no further.A lot of people misunderstand this. They often say, "It depends on how high you go." That's not it at all. It's how many pieces does it have to go through to reach foundation, whether that be the ground, a tree or a rock structure. It doesn't matter whether you are building vertically or horizontally. Adding bracing pieces won't help unless it cuts the number of pieces to foundation.
Wrong, it’s distance based, not piece based. A 4m long log pole provides identical support to 2 2m long log poles. The structure calculations are based on distance along structures to grounded support (which doesn’t have to be the ground, it can be any structure with a strength value higher than the connecting piece’s maximum strength)
I was about to tell you tell you were full of it, and I thought, "Are you certain? You're about to insult the guy and you'll look like a stupid a-hole if you're wrong." which wouldn't have been far from the truth. Now instead, I get to thank you for straightening me out on my misconception.
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GrinfilledCelt replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 18, 2022 @ 3:08:34 pm PDT
A lot of people misunderstand this. They often say, "It depends on how high you go." That's not it at all. It's how many pieces does it have to go through to reach foundation, whether that be the ground, a tree or a rock structure. It doesn't matter whether you are building vertically or horizontally. Adding bracing pieces won't help unless it cuts the number of pieces to foundation.
11:13 pm, May 18, 2022
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Beezil replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 18, 2022 @ 3:10:02 pm PDT
A lot of people misunderstand this. They often say, "It depends on how high you go." That's not it at all. It's how many pieces does it have to go through to reach foundation, whether that be the ground, a tree or a rock structure. It doesn't matter whether you are building vertically or horizontally. Adding bracing pieces won't help unless it cuts the number of pieces to foundation.
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Nascarman replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 18, 2022 @ 3:32:48 pm PDT
A lot of people misunderstand this. They often say, "It depends on how high you go." That's not it at all. It's how many pieces does it have to go through to reach foundation, whether that be the ground, a tree or a rock structure. It doesn't matter whether you are building vertically or horizontally. Adding bracing pieces won't help unless it cuts the number of pieces to foundation.
Wrong, it’s distance based, not piece based. A 4m long log pole provides identical support to 2 2m long log poles. The structure calculations are based on distance along structures to grounded support (which doesn’t have to be the ground, it can be any structure with a strength value higher than the connecting piece’s maximum strength)
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TAZjr replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 18, 2022 @ 4:17:27 am PDT
I would try raising the ground with the hoe at that point. Even just a little, if your pole's on the ground are blue than thats all you can do at that point. From there if you still have problem, start switching out with log(corewood as mentioned above) polls up from the ground to floor, then floor to walls, etc.
Hope this helps and good luck.
Hope this helps and good luck.
2:13 pm, May 18, 2022
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Spacewalker replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 18, 2022 @ 4:18:53 am PDT
I added some walls inside and looks like construction became stable. But it still all red.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2809595934
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2809595934
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CuriosityKillsTheMADCat replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 18, 2022 @ 4:36:05 am PDT
The colours only indicate the building element stability - they do not affect function* or hitpoints. As long as it does not collapse* (and if you do not want to attach more elements to that/those snapping points) you should be good to go ;).
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Nascarman replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 18, 2022 @ 4:41:12 am PDT
It looks like it’s taking so long to collapse because there are so many wood pieces you have there that affect the integrity calculation so that it lags a lot.
I don’t know the contents of your house but if you have symmetrical supports so that both sides of the house receive identical structural support and only this side collapses, it’s probably an issue with your grounded support. Check the lowest layer of support (aka the first level of wood wall) and make sure they have identical support ratings (most likely they should all be blue if it is touching the ground)
The roof is all red because structural integrity is based on 2 things, strength of structure and additional integrity loss. Each structure has a max strength value and a minimum strength value that determines the maximum support it can provide when blue (connected to ground or structure with strength higher than its max) and the minimum is the minimum strength that the structure needs to not break. Additional integrity loss is a value unique to each structure material that determines the amount lost in strength to a new piece when connecting it to another piece. The roof is far away from the ground, so no matter what you do (unless you add stone walls or iron poles/beams), it will stay red. Wood poles/beams only help provide extra support if it creates a shorter path to a piece with more strength, since they follow the same strength and integrity loss rules as all wood building pieces do.
I don’t know the contents of your house but if you have symmetrical supports so that both sides of the house receive identical structural support and only this side collapses, it’s probably an issue with your grounded support. Check the lowest layer of support (aka the first level of wood wall) and make sure they have identical support ratings (most likely they should all be blue if it is touching the ground)
The roof is all red because structural integrity is based on 2 things, strength of structure and additional integrity loss. Each structure has a max strength value and a minimum strength value that determines the maximum support it can provide when blue (connected to ground or structure with strength higher than its max) and the minimum is the minimum strength that the structure needs to not break. Additional integrity loss is a value unique to each structure material that determines the amount lost in strength to a new piece when connecting it to another piece. The roof is far away from the ground, so no matter what you do (unless you add stone walls or iron poles/beams), it will stay red. Wood poles/beams only help provide extra support if it creates a shorter path to a piece with more strength, since they follow the same strength and integrity loss rules as all wood building pieces do.
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rexpiscator replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 18, 2022 @ 7:10:13 am PDT
...I've got a bronze wall sconce that breaks all the time, I find the components sitting under it's hang point? I put a bench almost directly under it, thinking it's the ocean swells or perhaps some rando GD attacking it, I had to stop rebuilding it, lol.
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CuriosityKillsTheMADCat replied to Cannot realize why one part of building like "cursed" and always collapses May 18, 2022 @ 4:03:18 am PDT
Im quite sure that there is a way to get that problem fixed somehow (with an elaborated support beam structure) but building with normal wood only works up to a certain height (not an expert here but i would say 4-6 meters (2-3 vertical 2 meter poles) high and then you start having trouble with any roof you want to attach to the building (unless you know how to/figure out the support structure if any is possible). You should go into the Black Forest and get some Corewood - that will allow you to build higher structures (there are 4 meter Corewoodd poles/beams) that will also have a much better ceiling height when compared to normal wood (IMHO).
PS: Roof stability also depends on how wide the building is between the roof supporting walls/elements. But that does not seem the problem with your building (at least not the primary one causing the collapse).
PPS: I could not see that on the video but using pillars or poles in order to build a platform or foundation on which you then build the building effectively takes away one "stability level" - this also applies to "partial foundations areas".
PS: Roof stability also depends on how wide the building is between the roof supporting walls/elements. But that does not seem the problem with your building (at least not the primary one causing the collapse).
PPS: I could not see that on the video but using pillars or poles in order to build a platform or foundation on which you then build the building effectively takes away one "stability level" - this also applies to "partial foundations areas".
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