The seeker changes were to give less prepared players a fighting, or fleeing chance. It's a fine line to balance between challenging players and frustrating players. The game in its current state has elements with combat they seem to be incapable of fixing, especially when elevation comes into play. It's certainly on the "frustrating" side of the equation when you pretty much need to use a sledgehammer or a bow in a fight because even slight elevation differences can result in whiffs or terrain hits with other weapons that might be otherwise be better or more interesting choices. I mean Leeches in the swamps are just a PitA, not because they're too tough or anything, just you end up standing on shore staring at each other. The only weapons that work against them (without getting into the water and getting poisoned) is a sledge or a bow. Spear? Polearm? Should be a given, but nope. Whiff.

The other aspect that the game developers need to cater for is that a fair number of players choose to rush objectives. A new biome? They want to see it/clear it as early as possible. Where they might intend for players to be equipped to a certain degree, the reality is that a good number of players will expect to clear the game relying on iFrames and cheese, so when something new doesn't subscribe to the same cheese it's "broken".

Hopefully some difficulty mods will be able to bring back the way Mistlands enemies were prior to the nerf (rather than just giving them extra stars) because while the Gjall nerf felt kinda necessary (but now they're a bit too easy), the Seeker one made them complete morons now. They went way overboard with the seeker nerf.

(For those who don't know, Seekers used to actually seek you out, flying RIGHT AT YOU like a Deathsquito, then landing and proceeding to attack relentlessly. Now they fly around like morons barely able to track you and take long downtimes between attacks)

As far as Making mistlands easier, what I'd like to see instead of enemy nerfs is at least doubling the range Torches and the Wisplight remove fog. Having to place torches every 10 feet, from ground floor to sky height, just to be able to see around your Mistlands base gets tedious REAL FAST.

The irony of whining about whiners, oh so thick.

I wonder if guys like this think it'll somehow win them brownie points for endlessly praising the devs, and trying to downplay complaints and such as "trolling" lol.

Originally posted by warrenchmobile:

I know my view will be unpopular but I do not think Iron Gate Studio (IGS) caters to whiners.

Here is the unpopular part. I doubt IGS pays much attention to all the whining that goes on in the Steam forum. I'm sure this forum is checked regularly to see what new features are put forth but requests to nerf or automate aspects of the game are cheerfully ignored.

Input for play balance and quality of life are probably gathered from a much smaller sample of players. Players who have demonstrated an affinity for the studio's concept of the game.

Please note I am not suggesting that anyone withhold their opinions regarding the game. Just don't hold your breath waiting for IGS to validate them.

They mostly read the discord i think but who knows. Anyhow i dont think they give into whiners either and lets face it, nowadays any move is criticised.

you're whining about who they're listening to so apparently they shouldn't listen to you either

its easy... they must implement steam workshop.... So anyone can play like he will to play with mods for more difficulty or other with less? More deco´s more building parts and and.....

Originally posted by warrenchmobile:

I know my view will be unpopular
whiners.

Here is the unpopular part.
whining .

It's weird. That's all I saw when i read your post.

@CoconutGirl You really should log on Discord to get in touch with beta testers and devs. I bet that they could explain you why they did this or did not that. And they would listen to your points as well.

the base game has been nerfed many times. Bonemass, slimes, deathsquitos, fulings have all been gutted to some degree. This is pretty normal though i imagine in the case of mistlands they will maybe go back the other way a bit.

There has to be some balance to it though. I haven't gotten to Mistlands yet, since I started over and only playing sporadically, but given the grind and cost of things, isn't the difficulty sort of self-adjusting to some degree?

May I ask what kind of gear you have to make Mistlands too easy?
I'm running around in an iron harnesk, the rest is still troll armour + flint spear (max upgraded), and I'm a bit hesitant to explore a newly found icecave.

I know my view will be unpopular but I do not think Iron Gate Studio (IGS) caters to whiners.

Here is the unpopular part. I doubt IGS pays much attention to all the whining that goes on in the Steam forum. I'm sure this forum is checked regularly to see what new features are put forth but requests to nerf or automate aspects of the game are cheerfully ignored.

Input for play balance and quality of life are probably gathered from a much smaller sample of players. Players who have demonstrated an affinity for the studio's concept of the game.

Please note I am not suggesting that anyone withhold their opinions regarding the game. Just don't hold your breath waiting for IGS to validate them.

Originally posted by CoconutGirl:

The base game was not nerfed, but they nerfed Mistlands shortly after release because of whiners. It was extremely difficult, as it should have been. Of course, the many have to cater to the few in this world of ours.

That isn't how this works. They have data on their game and what players are doing. Usually nerfs and buffs follow the player data. People complaining with 80% quitting 20 minutes into trying it will result in nerfs.

I can't speak much to this expansion as I just got the game, but that's how devs have always worked. Especially on newly released content on a game that is still in development. Usually you would expect many nerfs and buffs in the following months. And speaking for the majority is silly with your premise. If the gaming industry has taught us anything, it's that the majority want easy games. The very reason almost every game gets dumbed down eventually, if it's getting updates for a long period.

Originally posted by CoconutGirl:

While most of us were enjoying the extreme difficulty when Misty was first released, a few annoying greydwarves were complaining about all the great work you guys put in to actually improving the game and accurately increasing difficulty. I loved how hard it was in the start, sure it really sucked how much I died and lost skills, but it felt like a new challenge to what had become a very easy game after hours of post plains game play. Yes, I am still enjoying the new biome, but it really sucks when complainers ruin it for the rest of us.

I didn't play it right after it released, because I didn't notice, but how was the difficulty reduced? What changed? I only logged in like a week ago..

The base game was not nerfed, but they nerfed Mistlands shortly after release because of whiners. It was extremely difficult, as it should have been. Of course, the many have to cater to the few in this world of ours.