Silver ore is always shaped like a Y. You don’t have to dig totally under it just make sure you don’t miss any. If your silver site is all deep I like to use that area to start a wolf farm

Originally posted by neuroperson:

Silver ore is always shaped like a Y. You don’t have to dig totally under it just make sure you don’t miss any. If your silver site is all deep I like to use that area to start a wolf farm

While I appreciate the information that isn't the problem. xD

The problem is that the ore is not falling down when I do finally mine it. I'll completely excavate the area and the silver will be floating there, then hit it a few times to break some and it just.. Stays. I've mined multiple silver ore veins now (I've killed Moder) but none of them have collapsed like they should.

it must have been patched out because ive never had any rock, ore or otherwise, break instantly.

I can get rocks to fall down, but they dont break. they behave like trees - they just hug the terrain.

it would be cool if you could do that, and carve out a giant chunk and when it fell, it explodes, however, thinking it through, once someone did that, nobody would ever mine the same again. i'm sure they thought about it, but i think how it works is good.

I've dug out around 4 copper nodes completely. Two of them required me to bang away bit by bit to finish them off. The other two were about 70% gone when they blew up into ore and rock. I have zero idea how or if this mechanic is something the player can control.

then wouldn’t pick axe upgrades be utterly pointless, since you can just mine the ground out under what you need

Copper collapses if dug fully out and then usually a bit more pickaxing.
Silver specifically doesn't collapse.
If you dig it out so it is floating and trigger a collapse situation it just floats there spamming "too hard". I imagine this is specifically to prevent some cheesing and require an iron pickaxe.

It has always been that way for silver.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2462664621

Originally posted by Mr Robert House:

then wouldn’t pick axe upgrades be utterly pointless, since you can just mine the ground out under what you need

Yup this is why.

well i just came back to the game and i usally skip swamps by going silver at start but now when they romoved the laws of phycigs i cant do that any more have 3 nodes hanging in mid air and no axe strong enuf to mine it sux to be me now :P

Just so folks are aware, you can completely dig out underneath silver, then start pickaxing the center of the Y. Once the center loses the integrity to hold up each branch, the entire vein will explode and fall. I can record a video to demo if anyone needs proof.

The drawback here is you are robbing yourself of precious experience as the number of hits it takes to get silver is decreased exponentially.

From what I understand and my time in play, that in fact the copper nodes specifically do have a small void within them. As you play you will get familiar with the models and the distribution of 'facets'. Using then will also create a roof for utilizing the craft tables. Generally w/o the need for either walls or roofs. Again something you learn over time, and while I do not have it linked to place in responses, I do have a clear shot of a 98% excavated copper node. And also is titled that way.That and other things are documented there. Fair to say they are roughly 4-5 tiles high, something of a muffin, the puffy crown is what you see most times. And 10-15 tiles long. That is simply the rough ore, you will only get a portion of it as raw metal. And half again in bronze conversion.find 2-3 that are as close to your main camp, it should be enough to propel you towards swamp. If you want it. You can incorporate all sorts of methods and means to use these objects to your advantage. Just be shrewd, or what twitch. GL! Feel free to follow-up my door is generally open. Easiest way to see/learn locate a node that is on a very sharp slope. And if you are lucky and keep you eyes peeled , you'll find some that are 40-60% exposed. Half the work done for you. Cut to the bottom with antlers and around then go at it, the node, with metals(picks).

Originally posted by WastedZhit:

I am digging into the dirt as well to get all the copper, but is it on purpose that there is dirt inside the copper??

I know it doesn't make sense compared to how it would be in real life, but that's the way the game engine handles terrain (dirt) elevations in this game.... It's not a "bug" and I don't think the devs can do anything to change it.

If you want the dirt gone, you have to dig it out, and the best way (shortest way and least amount of "work") is to dig it from underneath... as you dig into the node, it will remove all dirt above where you dig, in a couple hits, rather than digging downward and having to dig up to 16 hits to accomplish the same results.

I am digging into the dirt as well to get all the copper, but is it on purpose that there is dirt inside the copper??

The terrain clips through the copper deposit, and the copper deposit is made up of several 'nodes'. The whole deposit is solid, some think it's actually hollow, but because the nodes can be large and they break as a whole this leaves quite a bit of clipped through terrain before you find the next node.

Devs kinda have a problem here. Dirt can't be partly at one level and partly above, so the only way to not clip terrain through the deposit is to set terrain below deposit level - however then all deposits will be fully exposed, no blending into terrain.

Probably the best thing devs could do it have nodes terraform terrain that clips through them on destruction, partly exposing surrounding nodes.

This is just my laymens take, I have zero connection to the devs, nor have I even read most of what they've said about valheim.

Originally posted by Gladi8er65:

removing copper from the top of copper node will reveal dirt underneath, however there is much much more copper below the dirt (only a small amount of copper on top)

I mine copper a different (safer) way... I dig along the edge of the copper, then dig straight down as far as it lets me, then turn and dig right into the copper node at the bottom...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2919888706

Digging into the copper like this will give an underground "cave" inside it, and enemies can't / won't be able to reach you, as long as you keep the top of it (at ground level) intact.... This also removes any dirt (wherever you dig). inside the copper node.

Once you have carefully dug out the inside of the copper node, you can actually set up things you need like a workbench (for tool repair), portal, coal kiln, smelter, cooking fire, bed etc...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2908646625

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2858961419

This gives you a safe, easy place to process your copper ore, without having to transport it all back to some distant base, and once you process some of the copper you can craft a forge and actually make bronze and various tools/weapons right at the mining site.

Even if you don't want to make an outpost under the copper, It is still safer to mine it this way (from under it) because the enemies can't get you unless you open up large holes in the top, also this removes all the dirt so you can mine ALL the copper.

Hello,

I always wanted to try to dig under a skeleton or troll cave to see if it's possible to settle under, have you try it ?

I know Elder spawn shrine is a very large and solid roof for anything you put under, it also have a nice looking too !

Originally posted by Ebyl:

If you plan to build structures with stone later in the game, you may want to keep that stone (just build rock piles somewhere). It takes a LOT of stone to construct buildings, so it could save you some time down the road.

later in the game you wanna make structures with black marble not stone. stone is now used for landshapeing mostly.

and getting stone lol. once you get to the mistlands there is GIANT STONE PILLARS everywhere. like the one in the plains sometimes. except bigger. and they are EVERYWHERE. you can mine 1000 stone in like 15 minutes there. there is no reason to ever safe stone in this game anymore.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

Originally posted by Ebyl:

If you plan to build structures with stone later in the game, you may want to keep that stone (just build rock piles somewhere). It takes a LOT of stone to construct buildings, so it could save you some time down the road.

later in the game you wanna make structures with black marble not stone. stone is now used for landshapeing mostly.

and getting stone lol. once you get to the mistlands there is GIANT STONE PILLARS everywhere. like the one in the plains sometimes. except bigger. and they are EVERYWHERE. you can mine 1000 stone in like 15 minutes there. there is no reason to ever safe stone in this game anymore.

There never was any reason to save stone. The world is huge and there are rocks every where.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

Originally posted by Ebyl:

If you plan to build structures with stone later in the game, you may want to keep that stone (just build rock piles somewhere). It takes a LOT of stone to construct buildings, so it could save you some time down the road.

later in the game you wanna make structures with black marble not stone. stone is now used for landshapeing mostly.

and getting stone lol. once you get to the mistlands there is GIANT STONE PILLARS everywhere. like the one in the plains sometimes. except bigger. and they are EVERYWHERE. you can mine 1000 stone in like 15 minutes there. there is no reason to ever safe stone in this game anymore.

You're right, everyone plays like you do!

Gladi8er65's trick also works for silver nodes in the mountains as long as the sliver node remains connected to the earth. If the silver node (or the copper node) becomes "unanchored" to the earth it pops into a shower of ore and stone. You can also often find 2 or even 3 silver nodes in a single spot.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2856429325

@OP it takes the same number of pick swings to get copper ore as it does to get tin ore. Just throw the rock away if you don't need it. The devs did it this way because that's the way it is in nature. There is a great deal of stone mixed in with copper, silver, (and gold) deposits but mineable tin is often found in large blobs with hardly any stone intrusions.

If you plan to build structures with stone later in the game, you may want to keep that stone (just build rock piles somewhere). It takes a LOT of stone to construct buildings, so it could save you some time down the road.

@Gladi8er65 You are a true hard rock miner!

removing copper from the top of copper node will reveal dirt underneath, however there is much much more copper below the dirt (only a small amount of copper on top)

I mine copper a different (safer) way... I dig along the edge of the copper, then dig straight down as far as it lets me, then turn and dig right into the copper node at the bottom...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2919888706

Digging into the copper like this will give an underground "cave" inside it, and enemies can't / won't be able to reach you, as long as you keep the top of it (at ground level) intact.... This also removes any dirt (wherever you dig). inside the copper node.

Once you have carefully dug out the inside of the copper node, you can actually set up things you need like a workbench (for tool repair), portal, coal kiln, smelter, cooking fire, bed etc...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2908646625

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2858961419

This gives you a safe, easy place to process your copper ore, without having to transport it all back to some distant base, and once you process some of the copper you can craft a forge and actually make bronze and various tools/weapons right at the mining site.

Even if you don't want to make an outpost under the copper, It is still safer to mine it this way (from under it) because the enemies can't get you unless you open up large holes in the top, also this removes all the dirt so you can mine ALL the copper.

Originally posted by Gladi8er65:

removing copper from the top of copper node will reveal dirt underneath, however there is much much more copper below the dirt (only a small amount of copper on top)[...]

Nice. I usually dig into the dirt a little, but never find much more copper that way. I had no idea there was that much more underneath.

After doing it a few times, I feel like it is more effort than it's worth.
I'm making these numbers up but in theory:
Mining the rock away from underneath the entire vein involves a lot of useless whacking away at earth instead of swinging at the ore. Takes 60 minutes to collect the 100 ore that the vein has.

Instead, you could spend 30 minutes to swing at the vein exclusively and you'd get 60 pieces of ore because you didn't waste a ton of time carving useless earth away around the vein.

The first method is best if you want to make sure you get the full mineral vein without having to waste too much time searching for the pieces left unmined and time is not a concern. The direct mining method is best if you just want a quick influx of the mineral you're after and don't care that the last ~20% of the vein will be hard to track down.

never tried it would make for a great sceenshot though

If you don't want to do it it can be seen here at about 4:30. This method will guarantee that you get all the ore in the deposit rather than what you can mine from the top down which can lead to missing some.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tkR18TXLc

...yes, sometimes it's hard to get all the way underneath, but it can be done and then you take a shower of 'stone'...

I do this as often as I can for silver veins as they are typically shallower and easier to undermine. A bit trickier with Copper veins as deep as they are, but yes it is very satisfying to see the whole thing disintigrate into rubble with one hit.

Originally posted by rexpiscator:

...yes, sometimes it's hard to get all the way underneath, but it can be done and then you take a shower of 'stone'...

Yes, with steep terrain or near water it may not be possible. On an incline the deposit may remain connected to the sub strata that cannot be removed (without mods) and with water nearby sea level gets you floating and unable to swing the pick. :/

The sound that a node makes when you shatter the whole thing in one go is literally better than sex.

Originally posted by Isaac_Clark:

The sound that a node makes when you shatter the whole thing in one go is literally better than sex.

Seems hyperbolic - I'll have to try both , back to back , in order to formulate an educated opinion before exercising judgement. I'm leaning to one side without clinical studies though.

then wouldn’t pick axe upgrades be utterly pointless, since you can just mine the ground out under what you need

Copper collapses if dug fully out and then usually a bit more pickaxing.
Silver specifically doesn't collapse.
If you dig it out so it is floating and trigger a collapse situation it just floats there spamming "too hard". I imagine this is specifically to prevent some cheesing and require an iron pickaxe.

It has always been that way for silver.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2462664621

Originally posted by Mr Robert House:

then wouldn’t pick axe upgrades be utterly pointless, since you can just mine the ground out under what you need

Yup this is why.

it would be cool if you could do that, and carve out a giant chunk and when it fell, it explodes, however, thinking it through, once someone did that, nobody would ever mine the same again. i'm sure they thought about it, but i think how it works is good.

I've dug out around 4 copper nodes completely. Two of them required me to bang away bit by bit to finish them off. The other two were about 70% gone when they blew up into ore and rock. I have zero idea how or if this mechanic is something the player can control.

Every copper deposit I have mined had to be mined manually. They all floated. Same with the silver, but I only did that once, then I realized it has the Y shape and doesn't need to be excavated to bedrock to get it all.

Silver ore is always shaped like a Y. You don’t have to dig totally under it just make sure you don’t miss any. If your silver site is all deep I like to use that area to start a wolf farm

Originally posted by neuroperson:

Silver ore is always shaped like a Y. You don’t have to dig totally under it just make sure you don’t miss any. If your silver site is all deep I like to use that area to start a wolf farm

While I appreciate the information that isn't the problem. xD

The problem is that the ore is not falling down when I do finally mine it. I'll completely excavate the area and the silver will be floating there, then hit it a few times to break some and it just.. Stays. I've mined multiple silver ore veins now (I've killed Moder) but none of them have collapsed like they should.

it must have been patched out because ive never had any rock, ore or otherwise, break instantly.

I can get rocks to fall down, but they dont break. they behave like trees - they just hug the terrain.