Originally posted by Altimely:

Originally posted by McBooty:

it's always hilarious when mods not getting paid anything do a better job than Devs with dozens of millions of dollars... just hire people that are smarter than you and just manage the process to keep the original spirit of the game.

Ah yea, it's funny when modders tweak someone else's work instead of making something themselves and then someone claims that just as much work when into it.

:er_sweat: go play the modders game (oh wait... They haven't made one :er_uwu:)

Exactly. Wow, the OP's post was unbelievably rude to the devs. If you don't like the magic system, maybe give some feedback, or as other said, just use the mod.

Originally posted by Altimely:

Originally posted by McBooty:

it's always hilarious when mods not getting paid anything do a better job than Devs with dozens of millions of dollars... just hire people that are smarter than you and just manage the process to keep the original spirit of the game.

Ah yea, it's funny when modders tweak someone else's work instead of making something themselves and then someone claims that just as much work when into it.

:er_sweat: go play the modders game (oh wait... They haven't made one :er_uwu:)

That's not what he said. There's no lack of talent on either side. The modders have a passion and don't make the mods for a living. They spend more time crafting 1 element of the game that a dev might have happily done but because he's a dev he has to work on 50 other things as well.

As someone whos written plenty of software neither the OPs comment nor yours is correct.

Originally posted by Corpse:

Originally posted by Altimely:

Ah yea, it's funny when modders tweak someone else's work instead of making something themselves and then someone claims that just as much work when into it.

go play the modders game (oh wait... They haven't made one )

Well i am gonna add a couple cents here, i appreciate modders and the people who made the game. Its not bad or wrong for someone to take something and modify it to their liking. This is why we don't have only one type of soda or dishwasher and why we all don't eat baby food for the rest of our lives. I appreciate both mods and the devs equally. They all put in work.

WITH skyrim its different though... the modders had to make a patch for the game just to make it playable. Thats sad.

EDITED: i wanted to say that uhm modding is difficult as hell too. so is making the base game. Work is work. Appreciate it all.

For sure, man. I love mods and I've donated to many mod creators because I use their mods so much, but I'm not going to say something as dumb as they're doing more work than the Valheim devs. Like if you don't like Valheim, stop letting it live rent free and get off the forums.

That being said: I like that Skyheim's magic can be obtained earlier than the vanilla magic and I like that there are utility spells (the light, for example), but it is by no means balanced. Valheim is balanced around a choice-based give and take, and Skyheim only gives power. It can trivialize parts of the game with how powerful your character becomes.

it's always hilarious when mods not getting paid anything do a better job than Devs with dozens of millions of dollars... just hire people that are smarter than you and just manage the process to keep the original spirit of the game.

Originally posted by McBooty:

it's always hilarious when mods not getting paid anything do a better job than Devs with dozens of millions of dollars... just hire people that are smarter than you and just manage the process to keep the original spirit of the game.

Ah yea, it's funny when modders tweak someone else's work instead of making something themselves and then someone claims that just as much work when into it.

go play the modders game (oh wait... They haven't made one )

Give good feedback. It's on the PTR for a reason. Changes can still happen.

Although the game's implementation of magic is a bit more overt than I expected (I thought it might be something more like runes you could engrave on armor/weapons that would give bonuses) I don't think it is or will be considered a primary pursuit, but more a secondary type thing. Even with the 'mage' armor it still seems non primary.

Cast your shield, go to melee. Cast a fireball at range, go to melee when the enemy closes. That sort of approach seems the way to maximize its current potential.

But who knows what the future might hold.

Uhm, why is the system complicated for you. It`s kinda basic; eat specific food to accumulate eityr, get better at magic by using it on enemies. What`s complicated with that?

What you stated as an example is the progress of making magic items and that is the same as usal too: get tool to gather ingredient, refine ingredient (via smelting bars or actual refining in terms of magic), craft item.

So what exactly is complicated? As I see it, it is standard Valheim.

Edit: Only exception: the refining itself. Fun times if you let the mashine work IN your base and go do something else ingame for days xD .

Originally posted by Therk:

Skyheim a Valheim Magic mod does better work putting magic in the game than the actual devs.
Description---------------------------------------------------------------------------------Skyheim is a magic mod aimed at providing balanced progression and a reason to go back and slay bosses. Each boss drops a crafting ingredient that can be used to craft and upgrade runes that will allow you to cast a variety of spells both beneficial and destructive.

in the new update , the stepps you have to take to make magic work is ridiculous
examlpe: setting up magic "extractor" in a tree branch...........

not to mention there are only 4 spells (for now)
the mod has 13 spells...

It sounds like you are complaining about the introduction of magic and there's only 4 spells. I feel thats kinda dumb to complain about because its the introduction and when learning new spells as a wizard, they wouldn't just hand you every spell and or skill available for top tiers. Also, those spells do not align with what Valheims dev's have in mind with Their game. when you MOD a game, its MODIFIES it that to another type of developers liking. Not the original Developers who made the game.

P.S. I like both and they are totally different.

Also i really like the tree thing. you gotta extract the essence from the most mystical life tree of all to utilize magic seems pretty dang legit to me and good lore.

It would be interesting to me if we knew more about the thinking the Devs have on Magic in general. Did this and other Mods inspire them for example? or did they always intend it but couldn't figure out the mechanics pre launch?

Player magic in the background theme is a bit a of a mixed feeling for me. I LIKE playing mage types as a rule but in Val it seems curiously off topic somehow? Hence really like ot know the thoughts of the games direction from the Devs to understand the underlying vision here?

So use the mod

(disclaimer: mods aren't encouraged or supported by iron gate, use them with caution and create backups of your worlds/saves; iron gate isn't responsible for lost data due to mods)