Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder?
So my friend and I decided to fight the Elder after traveling a long ass ways to finally get to him(Why does he always seem like he spawns across the ocean from your starting point? Every seed I've played is like this...), we both made 100 fire arrows each and apparently half of our arrows(100 arrows) only took him down to like 60% HP. His animations seem much faster and it doesn't seem like you can kite him around the pillars as easily anymore since his vines that he spawns seem to be much more spread out. Maybe if it was 1v1 it'd be more possible to do, but then you'd need like 400 fire arrows most likely. His stomp is too fast to use melee combat because I'd go up to him, attack him once, he'd stomp and as I was jumping away I'd take half HP + a stagger. We got so frustrated we just left him on the island and went back home and logged off. It was a series of constant deaths with our arrows barely doing anything.
3:13 am, October 31, 2021
Slynx Jewel replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 5:31:19 am PDT
FIRE arrows normal damage is very low, fire its much better but fire damage dont stack, so its beter to one of you shot fire arrows and other one flint arrows or even wood ones.. you must wait for fire to burn out then shot another...playing like that you will shot 30-40 an he will shot out about 50-60 arrows...i'm pretty sure fire damage now stacks. so you don;t need to wait anymore. just shot-shot-shoot
6:13 pm, October 31, 2021
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Jean Ardent replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 7:30:12 am PDT
So my friend and I decided to fight the Elder after traveling a long ass ways to finally get to him(Why does he always seem like he spawns across the ocean from your starting point? Every seed I've played is like this...)
Try seed: 7uqz0MaQxV
Elder spawned on landmass just a few rivers north of start point, I've run there frequently. That being said some of the other bosses require some travel... eventually you just have to.
Also:
We got so frustrated we just left him on the island and went back home and logged off. It was a series of constant deaths with our arrows barely doing anything.
If you are already familiar with this tactic I apologize, but prior to summoning the elder you can prepare a shelter to heal/resupply. By digging under the altar he spawns from you can set a nice size underground base to give you a chance to escape the battle and regroup. (Though depending on the island I can see this not working due to elevation)
6:13 pm, October 31, 2021
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blankitosonic replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 7:32:45 am PDT
Devs nerf that much because before H&H update the bow with lvl 70+ skill had the power and speed of a semi auto partisan rifle , not a bow lol
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sibbs replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 2:57:01 am PDT
You should be leveling your Bow from the start of the game, the Bow is the apex weapon. There are plenty of Utube videos to watch of all Boss fights, if you need help then post on these forums and some one will help you with any the Bosses.
12:13 pm, October 31, 2021
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Ghardan69 replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 3:07:39 am PDT
bow skill level could have something to do with it but honestly i carry at least 200 arrows on me i ran out with 200 on the elder way before H&H or whenever the nerf happened but my bow level was super low because i wasnt leveling it like i should have and that was when all you had to do was find a rock and shoot it till you level up as much as you could stand lol
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MarQan replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 3:23:04 am PDT
Both of you spamming fire arrows would mean that you're not doing much more DPS than if you just used wooden arrows, since fire damage doesn't stack. You'd be wasting more than 50% of the fire damage, so more than 1/3rd of your total damage is just not applied.
Wooden arrow does 22 pierce, while fire arrow does 11 pierce and 22 fire(DOT). I think elder does take increased damage from fire, so you're still better off with fire arrows, but one of you carrying wooden arrows instead would definitely increase DPS.
I recommend starting boss fights with 200+ effective arrows per player (although you probably already learned this). Also setting up a portal or a small base nearby in case you need to repair or craft something. One of you can just kite the boss, while the other takes a break.
Wooden arrow does 22 pierce, while fire arrow does 11 pierce and 22 fire(DOT). I think elder does take increased damage from fire, so you're still better off with fire arrows, but one of you carrying wooden arrows instead would definitely increase DPS.
I recommend starting boss fights with 200+ effective arrows per player (although you probably already learned this). Also setting up a portal or a small base nearby in case you need to repair or craft something. One of you can just kite the boss, while the other takes a break.
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Jigsaw replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 3:43:56 am PDT
Higher bow skill, wood arrows and crude bow with skill of 100 easy peasy on the Elder
12:13 pm, October 31, 2021
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Gregomoto replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 12:03:22 am PDT
At a certain bow skill level the bow is pretty much op.
9:13 am, October 31, 2021
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Draconifors replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 2:07:13 am PDT
He was way easier with a bow than prior to H&H, not only in SP but also MP with both two and three players.
I needed way less than 100 arrows (a mix of fire and flint) all three times. With the finewood bow.
No mods, never had any.
Your problem is not the boss...
I needed way less than 100 arrows (a mix of fire and flint) all three times. With the finewood bow.
No mods, never had any.
Your problem is not the boss...
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GunsForBucks replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 31, 2021 @ 2:11:57 am PDT
Finewood bows?
Are you using portals?
There is an easy way.
Put a roof over his shrine and a core log low fence lower down.
He can't get in easily, although once he spawned on top of the roof.
His vines, when summoned, just fly up off the ground and get pushed up on to the roof.
You can just stand there shooting him.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2594576221
Are you using portals?
There is an easy way.
Put a roof over his shrine and a core log low fence lower down.
He can't get in easily, although once he spawned on top of the roof.
His vines, when summoned, just fly up off the ground and get pushed up on to the roof.
You can just stand there shooting him.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2594576221
9:13 am, October 31, 2021
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WhiteDwarf replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 30, 2021 @ 10:26:32 pm PDT
FIRE arrows normal damage is very low, fire its much better but fire damage dont stack, so its beter to one of you shot fire arrows and other one flint arrows or even wood ones.. you must wait for fire to burn out then shot another...playing like that you will shot 30-40 an he will shot out about 50-60 arrows...
6:13 am, October 31, 2021
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Levi Athan replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 30, 2021 @ 10:34:24 pm PDT
FIRE arrows normal damage is very low, fire its much better but fire damage dont stack, so its beter to one of you shot fire arrows and other one flint arrows or even wood ones.. you must wait for fire to burn out then shot another...playing like that you will shot 30-40 an he will shot out about 50-60 arrows...Yeah I know about waiting for the fire to run out(it usually runs out by the time I have a chance to shoot again because his animations seem way faster than they used to be and the burning status duration also seems to be shortened). The fact of the matter is he was still extremely healthy after 100 total fire arrows, despite that. You could argue that both of us firing Fire Arrows was probably not the best, but normal arrows suck ass and it's far too much work making anything else. You'd think a giant tree boss would have a weakness for fire, not take like 0.3-4% health damage from a single arrow+burning duration. I get that the bow nerfs were likely needed(or maybe not really since it seems to be the only valid method of killing certain bosses) but Elder really didn't need to take THAT LITTLE damage from them. His difficulty spiked a LOT from that nerf and the few likely buffs he received.
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WhiteDwarf replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 30, 2021 @ 10:48:28 pm PDT
Well im sure you will find a way...
im playing with mods now, in my world bosses can spawn with stars.. :)
im playing with mods now, in my world bosses can spawn with stars.. :)
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Levi Athan replied to Just HOW MUCH did they nerf bows and buff the Elder? October 30, 2021 @ 11:02:15 pm PDT
Well im sure you will find a way...I don't think stars would really matter personally because from my experience the goal in these boss fights(outside of Eikthyr) is not to get hit in the first place. Maybe with Bone Mass' poison(if the poison is affected by stars), but outside of that I can't imagine it mattering too much. Even then, you have resistance potions to use for him. Most of them are just endurance fights.
im playing with mods now, in my world bosses can spawn with stars.. :)
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