Bows are NOT OP! It takes way longer to kill something with the best bows available to you at any level and then your quarry needs to be not pierce resistant.

Really, I never understood this. Does it make you more "hard core" when not using a bow? Using a bow is dangerous as well, you usually don't have much armor on you, so you can be mobile. You don't have as much health, making you easier to kill.

I think that using a bow is sometimes harder than just going in and killing the beast mano-a-mano.

You can stunlock a troll in (ahem) troll armor and a silver shield. With an iron sword you need maybe 5-6 swipes and he's dead, mostly not breaking the stunlock.

Bow takes way longer. And no, you're not "safe". There's other enemies you might run into when kiting. Your quarry might reach you and give you a quick death.

Originally posted by electricdawn:

Bows are NOT OP! It takes way longer to kill something with the best bows available to you at any level and then your quarry needs to be not pierce resistant.

First, no, not really. Bows do significantly more damage than other weapons. A Level 4 Draugr Fang firing either Poison or Frost Arrows do a combined total of 154 damage. The only weapon that I can find that does close to that much damage is a Tier 4 Silver Sword, and most enemies are immune to Spirit damage anyway.

Second, the neat thing about bows is that the arrow damage is fixed. Your skill in something affects the damage that you can actually deal with the weapon (fairly drastically, I might add), but that only applies to the bow itself and not the arrows that are being fired from it.

Third, there are a fair amount of enemies with Pierce resistance. However, alternate arrow types happen to exist. If Wood/Flint Arrows won't work, then use something else. Also, most lower-level enemies that have Pierce resistance don't have much health anyway (i.e. Blobs), so you can just brute-force past the Pierce res anyway. The only exception to this is the Stone Golem; you basically just have to fire off a bunch of wood arrows to kill that nerd (at least, that's my tactic). It takes quite a bit of time, but hey; the more arrows I have to land, the more experience levels I get for Archery, so I don't mind at all.

Originally posted by electricdawn:

Really, I never understood this. Does it make you more "hard core" when not using a bow? Using a bow is dangerous as well, you usually don't have much armor on you, so you can be mobile. You don't have as much health, making you easier to kill.

Root Armor provides both Poison and Pierce Resistance. Melee enemies can basically forget even trying to hit you anyway (i.e. they'll be dead before they get to you, and if they aren't, just dodge their attacks lmao), and Pierce Resistance tells almost every ranged enemy in the game to ♥♥♥♥ off. I let a two-star Fuling Spearthrower hit me (since I was curious as to how much damage I would actually take) and I took a whopping 40 damage lmao. Deathsquitos are also about as threatening to me as a Greydwarf Brute is, if not less.

Also, armor doesn't dictate your health whatsoever, so I don't see what you're on about.

Originally posted by electricdawn:

You can stunlock a troll in (ahem) troll armor and a silver shield. With an iron sword you need maybe 5-6 swipes and he's dead, mostly not breaking the stunlock.

In case you didn't realize this, Trolls are in the Black Forest. You're talking about how Trolls aren't a threat when you're equipped with a shield that's two biomes ahead of the Black Forest. Can you explain to me how that makes any sense whatsoever? An argument that would actually make sense is the Bronze Buckler, since it can most definitely parry Trolls at level 3 and possibly even in earlier levels.

Also, Trolls are weak to Pierce damage, which all Bows do.

Also also, the Finewood Bow is pretty damn good considering how easy it is to make.

Originally posted by electricdawn:

Bow takes way longer. And no, you're not "safe". There's other enemies you might run into when kiting. Your quarry might reach you and give you a quick death.

Do you have zero situational awareness? Sure, it's possible to get caught off-guard, but that can happen regardless of what you're doing.

Also, I don't have to move around much when kiting. Rolling gives you i-frames. Honestly, if you're sprinting away from enemies to dodge attacks, you're wrong.

I don't think any weapon should be nerfed so it always bothers me to hear people say things are OP

Keep in mind your skills are higher than the world can go right now due to lack of content.


We do a lot of grind for this stuff it damn well better kill stuff and make me feel powerful.. and yet you can still have your ass handed to you moving ahead un prepared.

The devs have certainly done an excellent job of balancing.

Typically it is those who don't use a weapon complaining about those who do. Why should it bother you? This is a PVE game.

lets not turn Valheim into Dark Souls or Eden Ring.

I am glad the game is a challenge but not brutally so. Only reason I don't play Elden Ring and Dark Souls is cause I don't wanna have 15 hands and 6 attention spans and 0.01ms reaction times to have fun.

Originally posted by Lord Maelstrom:

used fire arrows in multiplayer, did not see a huge decrease in kill time.

Bosses have more health when there's more people in the area, so there's that.

See I'm in the camp bows are not op, they take ammo, and my bow skill is int he 70s, have you ever hunted a lox with a bow? They are weak to piercing and it takes a while, meanwhile, my spear skill is 62, and I can go party a lox, stagger it, hit it 3 times, it staggers again from high damage, 4 more stabs and it's dead, before it can even hit me :D


Bows are in my experience are safer yes, but not always faster, just convenient, until you run out of arrows ;D

Originally posted by Polaris:

See I'm in the camp bows are not op, they take ammo, and my bow skill is int he 70s, have you ever hunted a lox with a bow? They are weak to piercing and it takes a while, meanwhile, my spear skill is 62, and I can go party a lox, stagger it, hit it 3 times, it staggers again from high damage, 4 more stabs and it's dead, before it can even hit me :D


Bows are in my experience are safer yes, but not always faster, just convenient, until you run out of arrows ;D

true, polearm parry is way faster time to kill than bow.

0/10 fun factor because you ran around shooting with a bow without fire arrows. You COULD have had more fun getting in there and trying to hit it with your axe but who wants to be in danger, right? More "fun" kiting and shooting--sounds like a play choice to me. Elder is alright, can kill it with fire arrows (think I used about 50 or so, giving them time to burn properly), melee with an axe, combine the two styles for "fun"--or just cheese it. Can't wait to see your Bonemass report.

you can cheese all the fights with the right bow(s) (they break in long fights) and arrows and enough time, bosses and non bosses alike. Bows are way OP due to AI pathing made worse by terrain edits.
If you want a challenge, put the bow down.
if you want to kill faster, I dunno, maybe FIRE against the big walking TREE might use fewer arrows...

Originally posted by Lord Maelstrom:

Overall 0/10 fun. bosses need to have better ai's and need to have more weaknesses so they aren't gigantic health bloats.

You really didn't figure out that the giant tree is weak to fire? Seriously?

Originally posted by jonnin:

you can cheese all the fights with the right bow(s) (they break in long fights) and arrows and enough time, bosses and non bosses alike. Bows are way OP due to AI pathing made worse by terrain edits.

Bows are OP due to a number of factors, mostly regarding DPS at high skill levels. Since the draw time for bows decreases as the bow skill increases (i.e. the higher the skill, the less you have to hold LMB to reach a fully-charged shot), on top of the other buffs that weapon skills give you (damage and stamina reduction), bows are insanely ♥♥♥♥♥♥. This doesn't even take into account the special arrow types that allow you to have far more damage types available than most other weapon categories.

Not to say that better AI wouldn't be interesting, but that's not the easiest design goal in the world.

Originally posted by Lord Maelstrom:

The elder boss fight really was just stand behind a pillar and shoot 100 arrows at him while he stands in one place 75 meters away and shoots an attack into the pillar you're standing behind. I was using a level 4 finewood bow with flint arrows. Overall 0/10 fun. bosses need to have better ai's and need to have more weaknesses so they aren't gigantic health bloats.

Imagine if you figured out killing him fast with campfires....

Originally posted by retsam1:

Originally posted by Lord Maelstrom:

The elder boss fight really was just stand behind a pillar and shoot 100 arrows at him while he stands in one place 75 meters away and shoots an attack into the pillar you're standing behind. I was using a level 4 finewood bow with flint arrows. Overall 0/10 fun. bosses need to have better ai's and need to have more weaknesses so they aren't gigantic health bloats.

Imagine if you figured out killing him fast with campfires....

lol

I like this fight.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2594576221

It has changed quite a bit already
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2556387959

these attacks were pretty lame but they buffed them since the start, they will destroy buildings you make now pretty well.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2490035683

Originally posted by Marksman Max:

Originally posted by Lord Maelstrom:

Overall 0/10 fun. bosses need to have better ai's and need to have more weaknesses so they aren't gigantic health bloats.

You really didn't figure out that the giant tree is weak to fire? Seriously?

Originally posted by jonnin:

you can cheese all the fights with the right bow(s) (they break in long fights) and arrows and enough time, bosses and non bosses alike. Bows are way OP due to AI pathing made worse by terrain edits.

Bows are OP due to a number of factors, mostly regarding DPS at high skill levels. Since the draw time for bows decreases as the bow skill increases (i.e. the higher the skill, the less you have to hold LMB to reach a fully-charged shot), on top of the other buffs that weapon skills give you (damage and stamina reduction), bows are insanely ♥♥♥♥♥♥. This doesn't even take into account the special arrow types that allow you to have far more damage types available than most other weapon categories.

used fire arrows in multiplayer, did not see a huge decrease in kill time.