Originally posted by Mstr108:

Originally posted by KackstiftGER:

Of course, I received more than enough consideration for my money,

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

yeah dont get me wrong i got a lot of time out of valheim i got my dollars worth but

the game is 20$, early-access.

editing to say, one has 300+ hours, other has 200+, i'm at 400+, the game was worth the 20$.

This. I'm already at 240th hours, I consider it a good bargain for the 20$, and I'm not even much into survival games

Originally posted by Mstr108:

Originally posted by KackstiftGER:

Of course, I received more than enough consideration for my money,

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

yeah dont get me wrong i got a lot of time out of valheim i got my dollars worth but

the game is 20$, early-access.

editing to say, one has 300+ hours, other has 200+, i'm at 400+, the game was worth the 20$.

i never said the game was not worth 20 dollars i would just like more communication from the devs and maybe just maybe a lil elbow greese so we can have more of an update then i added better pubes for trolls!

Originally posted by Kalysm:

I bet this is why a lot of games don't get released until finished. Constant complaining and whining about "non progress". Let them take their time and do what they feel is right. Go play other games until they release something. Some of you people speed thru games and then cry about lack of content. You are your own worst enemies. Put the controller/keyboard down and step outside for a bit. You just may like the way the sun feels on your skin. Oh and wear lotion because you will burn. BTW I average 12 hours a week on games, in a good week, that is.

I have to agree with you about this.

It happens always this.

They release a game earlier, people complain

They release a game too late, people complain.

Logic? People will always ♥♥♥♥♥ about something

Originally posted by Trickst3r:

Originally posted by Kalysm:

I bet this is why a lot of games don't get released until finished. Constant complaining and whining about "non progress". Let them take their time and do what they feel is right. Go play other games until they release something. Some of you people speed thru games and then cry about lack of content. You are your own worst enemies. Put the controller/keyboard down and step outside for a bit. You just may like the way the sun feels on your skin. Oh and wear lotion because you will burn. BTW I average 12 hours a week on games, in a good week, that is.

I have to agree with you about this.

It happens always this.

They release a game earlier, people complain

They release a game too late, people complain.

Logic? People will always ♥♥♥♥♥ about something

yeah i'm only complaining because i love this game and i dont think the devs should squander the games own momentum by waiting so long to make an update that by the time there first update comes out everyone has left and they dont care to come back i have seen this happen many many times

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

Originally posted by Trickst3r:

I have to agree with you about this.

It happens always this.

They release a game earlier, people complain

They release a game too late, people complain.

Logic? People will always ♥♥♥♥♥ about something

yeah i'm only complaining because i love this game and i dont think the devs should squander the games own momentum by waiting so long to make an update that by the time there first update comes out everyone has left and they dont care to come back i have seen this happen many many times

This is a EA game, anything can happen. The game can be abandoned, or it can reach even higher success, it's only a matter of time to see which one will happen but we can't judge a 5 man team with an indie title making it into a triple A quality game in 5 months or so, have patience, give them a chance and a bit of time. My investment in this game was already worth it, so any extra is already welcomed

No official mod support is a big mistake IMO. Mods are the reason people are still buying Morrowind 15+ years later, Skyrim etc.. while the official team works on expansions, modders could be adding new enemies, new locations, etc. to keep more people entertained and reduce player attrition..

Originally posted by darkflame:

No official mod support is a big mistake IMO. Mods are the reason people are still buying Morrowind 15+ years later, Skyrim etc.. while the official team works on expansions, modders could be adding new enemies, new locations, etc. to keep more people entertained and reduce player attrition..

This game with mod workshop would have so much potential... it would really be something

Originally posted by Kalysm:

I bet this is why a lot of games don't get released until finished. Constant complaining and whining about "non progress". Let them take their time and do what they feel is right. Go play other games until they release something. Some of you people speed thru games and then cry about lack of content. You are your own worst enemies. Put the controller/keyboard down and step outside for a bit. You just may like the way the sun feels on your skin. Oh and wear lotion because you will burn. BTW I average 12 hours a week on games, in a good week, that is.

A lot of games aren't released until finished because that's been the market standard for ~50 years. Distribution methods didn't even really allow for "easy" patching until the 90's. Not many people in those days would've knowingly bought unfinished products. Particularly buggy games that got rushed to market on deadlines would quickly (for the time) gain notoriety. Years of development go into a game before it goes to market. Increased complexity over time has also increased that timeline.

That standard expectation hasn't really gone anywhere.

The digital crowdfunding method for development and delivery is relatively new. Just leaving it's nascent stages. There's been a significant enough number of failures/scams/flameouts/whatever, that people are quick to turn already. The goals are often lofty and people want to back those ideals but they're rarely delivered in the time frames that are given.

I think part of it is that some of these games are hitting the market sooner than they really should. Shielded under the vague umbrella of being early access. I also believe eagerness to share the project/work leads into this. The newer digital market allows the creative minds to sidestep the publishers as middle men somewhat, allowing for that. In some cases, if not most, the need for additional funding probably plays a role as well.

I don't doubt that the majority of the Early Access flame outs wanted to deliver on their goals. Particularly in the indie developer circles. Many at the consumer level are just burnt out on repeated failures. That burnout gets unfairly turned on the whoever is the next in line, even if they don't deserve the weight of others failure tossed at them. It's easy to excuse it under "It's EA, don't buy it if you aren't willing to wait." but for many of these games, the peak of their hype occurs in that space of time, and the funding is beneficial for them. It's a bit reductive and simplistic when people dismiss concerns out of hand in that regard. It's more indicative that something in the current EA structure is just falling short of meeting consumer satisfaction.

I'm confused why you would think the artwork style would have any real influence of game updates. Textures and models are the extremely easy quick part of any game development, (hence why modders churn them out) the coding and AI interactions and physics are an entirely different thing that require the real work.
They have like one actual programmer. You can't just throw money at hiring others because its an artistic endeavor, not an assembly line. Not only do you have to make sure any candidates have the needed skills, but you have to make sure they mesh well with the existing team, can play well with others, and will be on the same page as to the direction of the games development and vision. That's a lengthy process, compounded by the fact that once a viable candidate is found, they likely have a current job they need to resign from which takes time, and then often pick up and move. And in the EU that often means moving to an entire different country, which is a bit more involved then just changing States in the USA. Then once that person is relocated and on board, well now you have to sit down and familiarize them with everything, all the quirks of the code, and that's going to take time as well. I'd imagine it'll take around 6 months from start to finish to go from starting the process of looking for new programmers to them actually contributing in a meaningful manner to speeding up game development. The start of 2022 is likely when we will really see the mass influx of money they had come to fruition with a much more rapid development speed.

Originally posted by KackstiftGER:

I was excited about the release and also a good 50 hours of conversation. Unfortunately there has been no new content since the release.

Ok. You expressed an opinion, all good, like many others you like the game and want more.

Originally posted by KackstiftGER:

I really hoped because of the lowRess models and textures that the progress would go much faster, but it seems that the developers are resting on their initial success.

And this is where many people veer off course. Without doing any research, just making baseless speculations and basically accusing the devs of being some combination of lazy, incompetent, or greedy. It makes an otherwise reasonable post appear entitled and whiny, then others chime in to explain why they're wrong, which in turn causes THEM to be labeled as fanbois blindly defending devs, etc and before you know it the thread is locked/merged and nothing productive comes of it.

They are not "resting on their laurels." the information is out there as to what they're doing and why things are taking longer than they originally planned.

they are busy taking care of the pony

Originally posted by Mstr108:

Originally posted by KackstiftGER:

Of course, I received more than enough consideration for my money,

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

yeah dont get me wrong i got a lot of time out of valheim i got my dollars worth but

the game is 20$, early-access.

editing to say, one has 300+ hours, other has 200+, i'm at 400+, the game was worth the 20$.

Well stated. I'm at around 340 hours myself. I'm VERY impressed with the game. Given how well its done, I suspect the Dev's are overwhelmed with the possible paths leading into the future. I'm looking forward to seeing what they decide to do. If it takes the rest of the year, I'm good with that.

yeah dont get me wrong i got a lot of time out of valheim i got my dollars worth but how the devs gonna promise 5 updates then basicly toss the roadmap change it to one update this year buy a pony then take a whole entire month off kinda ♥♥♥♥♥ if you ask me

Originally posted by KackstiftGER:

Of course, I received more than enough consideration for my money,

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

yeah dont get me wrong i got a lot of time out of valheim i got my dollars worth but

the game is 20$, early-access.

editing to say, one has 300+ hours, other has 200+, i'm at 400+, the game was worth the 20$.

I bet this is why a lot of games don't get released until finished. Constant complaining and whining about "non progress". Let them take their time and do what they feel is right. Go play other games until they release something. Some of you people speed thru games and then cry about lack of content. You are your own worst enemies. Put the controller/keyboard down and step outside for a bit. You just may like the way the sun feels on your skin. Oh and wear lotion because you will burn. BTW I average 12 hours a week on games, in a good week, that is.