Originally posted by Bioshocked ツ:

What did you actually like about the game, because it seems you dislike most of it.
Not trying to attack you on that, just curious since I wouldn't know where to start.

Nono, this is actually a fair point to make. What I like about this game the most is more of the minecraft-y or terraria-esque feel. The idea of starting with literally nothing and building up through progression, gathering resources (although despite me liking that, I'd prefer it to not take a solid 10 minutes to mine a single "ore patch"), and I think the building is actually really nice, if a little awkward to manage at points without experience.

I don't remember the combat much, at all. I haven't written anything negative about it in my review, so it's probably good enough to be passable, but generic enough to be forgettable.

I remember having a few tiny qualms with the UI, but overall I believe it was nice. Again, from memory.

Overall, I think what would make me re-visit this game would be more content between the absolute start and the bosses, and between the bosses.
It previously felt like you'd start from nothing, grind up skills (that you could permanently lose on death) super slowly and get a few mediocre items, then battle it out with a long-winded boss battle. Then, you'd unlock mega powerful items for that stage of the game, spend hours grinding those materials to get full sets of items, then go find the next boss and fight them. There just wasn't really anything in between that boss-grind-boss loop.

Terraria, for example, has "new" biomes to explore the moment you beat a boss - New enemies, new items, new equipment, new challenges. It's not a boss rush back-to-back with grinding pushed in there.

Originally posted by Tomoko:

I've asked this before and I got a no last time, .

And you gave it a thumbs down with 32 hours played so I'm not sure why you're asking. If you didn't like it then, you definitely won't like it now as it's more of the same.

It’s been good from the beginning for an EA game.

Originally posted by Tomoko:

Originally posted by Bioshocked ツ:

What did you actually like about the game, because it seems you dislike most of it.
Not trying to attack you on that, just curious since I wouldn't know where to start.

Nono, this is actually a fair point to make. What I like about this game the most is more of the minecraft-y or terraria-esque feel. The idea of starting with literally nothing and building up through progression, gathering resources (although despite me liking that, I'd prefer it to not take a solid 10 minutes to mine a single "ore patch"), and I think the building is actually really nice, if a little awkward to manage at points without experience.

I don't remember the combat much, at all. I haven't written anything negative about it in my review, so it's probably good enough to be passable, but generic enough to be forgettable.

I remember having a few tiny qualms with the UI, but overall I believe it was nice. Again, from memory.

Overall, I think what would make me re-visit this game would be more content between the absolute start and the bosses, and between the bosses.
It previously felt like you'd start from nothing, grind up skills (that you could permanently lose on death) super slowly and get a few mediocre items, then battle it out with a long-winded boss battle. Then, you'd unlock mega powerful items for that stage of the game, spend hours grinding those materials to get full sets of items, then go find the next boss and fight them. There just wasn't really anything in between that boss-grind-boss loop.

Terraria, for example, has "new" biomes to explore the moment you beat a boss - New enemies, new items, new equipment, new challenges. It's not a boss rush back-to-back with grinding pushed in there.

I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. You liked starting with nothing and building up through progression, but you don't like gathering/crafting to have new stuff to take on the next boss/biome.

You find the building very nice, but there is "nothing between boss-grind-boss".

Beating a boss *does*, in theory unlock a new biome with new enemies, items, equipment and challenges. It's actually pretty neat because you can go into these biomes without being gatekeeped by the boss.

Based on your description I have no clue why Terraria is great to you but Valheim is bad. In any case, doesn't look like it's a game for you. And it's not a matter of "yet". It will never be for you.

Originally posted by Tomoko:

Basically, is the game good? When I played there were like, 3 or 4 bosses, extremely limited content, poor balance, poor performance, ugly graphics (based on how poorly it ran), a really huge amount of grind, and an okay-ish building system that just felt like it was in the wrong game.

If the game was like this to your taste back then, there is absolutely no reason why it would be any different now. And I can predict that it won't be any different upon release and any time soon.

You would have known this already if you had read the roadplan one or two years ago.
However, on the UI and eye-candy side, a slight difference could be reached by upgrading your computer to a high level (or waiting for another optimization pass), and planning to use a handful of somewhat heavy graphical and UI mods. But even so, the game's spirit would not change, thankfully.

I'd say the content is still fairly limited. I haven't done Mistlands yet. But honestly I can't imagine it to do anything significantly different or better than the other biomes? Burial chambers are still fairly repetitive, as are crypts, the random building/structure spawns in the biomes and how each biome generally looks like. If you have seen one Meadows, one Black Forest, one Swamp and so on you should have seen most or all that there is to the respective biome. There really isn't much new or exciting to discover per-se after you have explored each kind of biome initially.

Unless I really still haven't seen some sudden spike in content and new variations to the procedural generation in some other biome yet?

So if you can't find appetite in the building system or in grinding away for resources... and feel significantly bothered by seeing another Meadows, another Black Forest, another Swamp etc. that look and feel all same-y... then no, this game is still probably not for you. Or at least won't keep you entertained for long. I think it really stands and falls with you being motivated enough to realize building projects. If you can't enjoy that, then there is little to no point in grinding for resources other than gearing up to fight the bosses. Which is... well, kinda like how a lot of these games work. It's always either build stuff and set your mark upon the world, or kill stuff. But, yeah, I guess the procedural world and dungeon/cave/crypt generation could maybe deserve some more interesting things to spice it all up a bit more.

game has not changed significantly since then. a few content updates, small optimizations and numbers tweaks, but mostly the same problems - from both design and implementation perspectives - exist as ~1.5 years ago

Yes there are some mods that can enable you to tinker the game how you want. Want less grind ? Increase drops, decrease stamina management, make food not a shore to get and much more.

And yes the games performance is still pretty bad which still is baffling with these graphics.. it should run on every toaster with stable 60 fps but it won't and will probably only get better near 1.0 release in 3-10 years.. since performance is something that is mostly done for last. Nothing changed there.

That said. The game is worth for one or two playthroughs. The progression spiral is fun. Until you unlocked everything .. then it turns into just a builder and farmer game.

Game has always been good.

Originally posted by Lil brekky:

game has not changed significantly since then. a few content updates, small optimizations and numbers tweaks, but mostly the same problems - from both design and implementation perspectives - exist as ~1.5 years ago

Atleast our worlds dont corrupt as much as on launch.

lol nope. go play hunnakhiemy instead

"Is the game good yet?"
Arguably the game is actually worse now since there is more content and new items/recipes and if that is not OPs thing then my point is valid. There is more "grinding" for materials and new areas from which to get them.
Also food thingies, and crafting of those has gone through some changes.

I think the hitboxes have been modified so fighting wolves on steep slopes is easier but this is just one of things where you either adapt and take into consideration the situation you have managed to get yourself into or die, again.

Personally I like these changes and currently playing new world& character. Haven´t yet beaten Moder, since haven ´t found the altar tho i have the eggs, so can´t talk about late-game features but I´m willing to bet that surviving will be the key element in mistlands, as it has been the whole time.

Enjoying the game with my 10 year old rig, it runs 45-60fps just fine on
GTX 980, have upgraded to this because gtx 660 was struggling a bit
i7-3770K
16 gigs of ram
Linux Mint 21

What did you actually like about the game, because it seems you dislike most of it.
Not trying to attack you on that, just curious since I wouldn't know where to start.

Performance still isn't super great, but it's mostly around the auto-saves and in the Mistlands biome for myself.

We have an extra boss as well as a new biome and some changes in an already existing biome.

Graphics are the same, and it's not the graphics that are bad, it's the art-style you might not be in to.

The grind is still very much present.

The go-to these days it to refer people to mods quite quickly, and I believe there is quite a list of them already at this point. So you could look in to adding some to make it more enjoyable for yourself.

I don't remember how far back the change to terrain was but that improved performance notably. After that I haven't really noticed anything serious. For a game where you can count the pixels in the textures it really makes intense use of the GPU.

It is also still grindy IMO. Not the most I've seen in survival type games (at least food doesn't go off) but more than I'd like, especially for lack of settings. At least if you get sick of the tedious harvesting repetition in most games of this type, you can adjust it.

More importantly, multiplayer performance is still bad. Being on the same server is fine, but go near each other and you all feel lag that it seemed nobody was getting alone. It makes me miss games where I just put up with my high ping and adapt to it. This is IMO the biggest issue with it because as a single player game it's just... not all that special. I play it that way, sometimes, but the gameplay isn't really very engaging without the social element, and I say that as someone who almost exclusively plays singleplayer games.