Originally posted by Hogg:

So I think it’s fair to say we all loved valheim on release but how hasn’t this game gotten any meaningful updates since then? Hundreds of thousands copy’s sold and at one point has a promising timeline for new content releases but it was scrapped? I understand rushing updates is never a good thing since people don’t want a bug filled mess but we are coming up to a year and half almost and all we have gotten is a cave that takes 30 seconds to explore and a handful of building pieces. Surely with all that money they made we would of seen something abit more substantial by now?

If hearth and home, ice caves content wise and other workings for their team of 10 are not satisfactory to you because you wish things to be at a different pace due to your expectations, sorry but your wants just do not match the reality of the situation and there is absolutely nothing (outside of your axe grinding here) that can be done.

I'm also happy to cite for you other games that have been successful that also didn't follow their timeline of release and content if you wish but still managed to leave early access and do arguably well for years.

All in all your expectations just need to be better grounded. Shelve it til it matches your sensibilities and don't be so silly.

Originally posted by retsam1:

Originally posted by Hogg:

So I think it’s fair to say we all loved valheim on release but how hasn’t this game gotten any meaningful updates since then? Hundreds of thousands copy’s sold and at one point has a promising timeline for new content releases but it was scrapped? I understand rushing updates is never a good thing since people don’t want a bug filled mess but we are coming up to a year and half almost and all we have gotten is a cave that takes 30 seconds to explore and a handful of building pieces. Surely with all that money they made we would of seen something abit more substantial by now?

If hearth and home, ice caves content wise and other workings for their team of 10 are not satisfactory to you because you wish things to be at a different pace due to your expectations, sorry but your wants just do not match the reality of the situation and there is absolutely nothing (outside of your axe grinding here) that can be done.

I'm also happy to cite for you other games that have been successful that also didn't follow their timeline of release and content if you wish but still managed to leave early access and do arguably well for years.

All in all your expectations just need to be better grounded. Shelve it til it matches your sensibilities and don't be so silly.

If you think 10 people working on an ice cave that takes 30 seconds to explore is good enough for a year and a half worth of updates then yikes

Originally posted by Hogg:

No excuse as to why they can’t release something other than “we made our millions see you next time”

There are thousands of reasons for why the development isn't matching your expectations. Your inability to look past the one you mention says more about yourself than the devs.

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:

Another troll thread. ./sigh

I would love to see more content! Certainly I would be disappointed if they closed shop right now when I am anxiously awaiting what other things they have in store.

But at the end of the day with the amount of enjoyment it has brought me I certainly don't feel ripped off. In fact I wish larger game companies would buck up and put out as polished a product as this team has.

Yeah don't play either until there is more content. Already done most stuff that interests me.

This game had more content when it entered EA than many 'released' games do.

When looking at the hours played for the price paid (even when only considering content available on initial release to EA) I made out like a bandit. An extraordinary value.

There are games that stay in EA for years and are outstanding on final release (Subnautica - original) and others that never do see the light of a V 1.0. We hope for the best with this game.

But again, regardless of the final outcome I would argue no one can say they did not get their 'moneys worth' out of the game as it stands now.

And to the naysayers that believe the developers made their money and now don't care I would direct their attention to No Man's Sky as an example of what can be.

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:

Another troll thread. ./sigh

Well, quit trolling these threads. :)

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:

Another troll thread. ./sigh

The truth hurts

You could also look at it from their perspective. They did a ton of work before early access and didn't get paid a dime. The early access money is for both the work they already did and for future development. Tons of people have put in 100's of hours into the game and for $20 that's a damn good return on investment. People go to Starbucks and buy a coffee and a danish and spend nearly that and get about 30 minutes out of it.

They took a gamble releasing it to early access. It turned out to be a huge success. If they would have known that they probably could have waited 2 more years, release it much more complete and sold it for $40+. They could also have waited another 2 years and found it to be a complete flop and they earned nothing for 4-5 years of work. Would you do your job for free for 5 years on the HOPE you might get paid or possibly lose everything you have?

As it stands now they will likely make less money in the long run. It was a gamble that could have turned either way. Games fail all the time. We'll see how it turns out. They really don't OWE anyone anything. You bought an unfinished game.. you received an unfinished game that a lot of people really like.

Originally posted by Crimson:

You could also look at it from their perspective. They did a ton of work before early access and didn't get paid a dime. The early access money is for both the work they already did and for future development. Tons of people have put in 100's of hours into the game and for $20 that's a damn good return on investment. People go to Starbucks and buy a coffee and a danish and spend nearly that and get about 30 minutes out of it.

They took a gamble releasing it to early access. It turned out to be a huge success. If they would have known that they probably could have waited 2 more years, release it much more complete and sold it for $40+. They could also have waited another 2 years and found it to be a complete flop and they earned nothing for 4-5 years of work. Would you do your job for free for 5 years on the HOPE you might get paid or possibly lose everything you have?

As it stands now they will likely make less money in the long run. It was a gamble that could have turned either way. Games fail all the time. We'll see how it turns out. They really don't OWE anyone anything. You bought an unfinished game.. you received an unfinished game that a lot of people really like.

A year and a half an no meaningful updates. No excuse as to why they can’t release something other than “we made our millions see you next time”

Nether comes to mind.....

Another troll thread. ./sigh

Originally posted by Hogg:

Surely with all that money they made we would of seen something abit more substantial by now?

Don't want to burst your bubble, but that's not the right way to look at it. The game sold 1M copies and made a *ton* of money. Now, what would they gain by pouring more resources into adding stuff to the game? The million people who already bought it won't buy it again. The only revenue stream is for *new people* to buy the game. Is a new update going to generate a significant uptick in sales? Doubtful.

Don't hear me wrong, the game is early access and therefore should receive updates, but unfortunately, I think the initial unexpected success makes it *less* likely that the game will ever be finished.

On my end, I find it very enjoyable as is :)

Originally posted by vinyblaster:

Originally posted by Hogg:

Surely with all that money they made we would of seen something abit more substantial by now?

Don't want to burst your bubble, but that's not the right way to look at it. The game sold 1M copies and made a *ton* of money. Now, what would they gain by pouring more resources into adding stuff to the game? The million people who already bought it won't buy it again. The only revenue stream is for *new people* to buy the game. Is a new update going to generate a significant uptick in sales? Doubtful.

Don't hear me wrong, the game is early access and therefore should receive updates, but unfortunately, I think the initial unexpected success makes it *less* likely that the game will ever be finished.

On my end, I find it very enjoyable as is :)

The problem is they release a roadmap and a timeline with a ton of content then months later completely scrapped it and now we don’t see any meaningful updates and are basically left in the dark. Sure they don’t need to bring out any updates since the games already been successful and they have already made all the money but why would you release a roadmap in the first place if you can’t follow through?