anymore i max out troll and do just fine up to the mts in it. i use it less for the sneak than for the speed. when i get to the mts i make the wolf cloak asap but will often stick to troll for the rest of the set until the plains. when i want to take out a village or get into more heavy combat i will switch out for silver tier or maybe padded for chest and legs. it's just too much of a bother to mine for ores and make coal to use the bronze or iron for armor. i also tend to just run around with the lamp on unless i'm raiding or fighting a boss. i do max out weapons and shield asap to the highest tier possible, as it's a use of metals. i tend to use a parry shield and axe.

Originally posted by Doom Sayer:

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

Before H&H I used to skip iron... would go from bronze to wolf to padded.

After H&H I don't really feel comfortable starting in the mountains with bronze and make Iron.

Troll is good for just starting into the BF crypts, but feel safer in full bronze for the swamps.. especially with the new swamp miniboss.

The new root armor from that boss has a low movement penalty but is about like bronze?

Still don't think I would want to start into the mountains with it over Iron.

I am sure some people can handle the plains in underwear with no food.... so basically it's up to you. I don't like to die and lose skill progress, so I tend to play more cautiously.

Basically my rule of thumb is that if I get stunned while blocking a hit.. that is bad. That means multiple enemies can stun lock you and tear you up. With the changes to blocking related to food you really have to be careful.

I assumed last i played that bronze to wolf was normal i had upgraded kit of bronze and got destroyed. I see no reason anyone would go there with bronze lol. I get completely wrecked I think I regretted my choices for one second before i died. Shield didnt even help.

I honestly wasnt expecting it to be that bad but I dont think i even damaged the wolf.

You could do it pretty easily before H&H update. It almost feels like the changes they made were intended to force a "proper" armor progression. I find it balanced quite well now if you are in the proper armor. But a lot more dangerous if you are not.

That said I still need to get a set of root armor to see how all that fits. I think they may be moving to a dual line of armor with light and heavy... too early to tell where they may be taking it though.

Originally posted by BaseWall:

yeah bad idea .
you move slow your DED

Not with wolf armor or padded armor lol , 100 of armor not make you ded


On toppic , you surely have a low running and jump skill to feel slow on heavy armor , rise up to 100 running speed and youll see another story , just remember to hide you weapon and shield everytime you have to run pressing R

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

Before H&H I used to skip iron... would go from bronze to wolf to padded.

After H&H I don't really feel comfortable starting in the mountains with bronze and make Iron.

Troll is good for just starting into the BF crypts, but feel safer in full bronze for the swamps.. especially with the new swamp miniboss.

The new root armor from that boss has a low movement penalty but is about like bronze?

Still don't think I would want to start into the mountains with it over Iron.

I am sure some people can handle the plains in underwear with no food.... so basically it's up to you. I don't like to die and lose skill progress, so I tend to play more cautiously.

Basically my rule of thumb is that if I get stunned while blocking a hit.. that is bad. That means multiple enemies can stun lock you and tear you up. With the changes to blocking related to food you really have to be careful.

I assumed last i played that bronze to wolf was normal i had upgraded kit of bronze and got destroyed. I see no reason anyone would go there with bronze lol. I get completely wrecked I think I regretted my choices for one second before i died. Shield didnt even help.

I honestly wasnt expecting it to be that bad but I dont think i even damaged the wolf.

Originally posted by Doom Sayer:

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

Before H&H I used to skip iron... would go from bronze to wolf to padded.

After H&H I don't really feel comfortable starting in the mountains with bronze and make Iron.

Troll is good for just starting into the BF crypts, but feel safer in full bronze for the swamps.. especially with the new swamp miniboss.

The new root armor from that boss has a low movement penalty but is about like bronze?

Still don't think I would want to start into the mountains with it over Iron.

I am sure some people can handle the plains in underwear with no food.... so basically it's up to you. I don't like to die and lose skill progress, so I tend to play more cautiously.

Basically my rule of thumb is that if I get stunned while blocking a hit.. that is bad. That means multiple enemies can stun lock you and tear you up. With the changes to blocking related to food you really have to be careful.

I assumed last i played that bronze to wolf was normal i had upgraded kit of bronze and got destroyed. I see no reason anyone would go there with bronze lol. I get completely wrecked I think I regretted my choices for one second before i died. Shield didnt even help.

I honestly wasnt expecting it to be that bad but I dont think i even damaged the wolf.

Bronze armor is not so bad vs wolfs, its only bad vs drakes, if you get hit xD
I have alot of upgrades on my root armor, and a high spring stat, and only hp foods.
I dont understand the fuzz...

yeah bad idea .
you move slow your DED

You should do more experimenting, unless you want to look it up on the wiki. I'll be brief:
-Movement speed de-buffs from Armor and Shields affects how much stamina dodging takes, and blocking decreases how much Stamina you gain.
-Holstering your weapon/shield after combat is an easy way to maintain your movement speed. Or if you are in a safe area, unequip your armor.

So you can make some interesting builds like Padded Helmet + Troll Tunic and Pants for 60 Armor, for no movement speed debuff's. Pair that with 100 Run and you can kite anything in the game (except Deathsquitoes, but they have 10 HP, just hit it with anything).
The Root armor set is great, but the Root Harnesk is only really worth making vs Dragur Archers, and the Mask's poison resist is nice too, but eventually you can out-tank all Poison with good Food, Armor, and Medium Health potions.
Full Silver Armor is good because it let's you step up to the Padded tier, which then allows you to wear what I mentioned earlier to balance Armor / Speed.
Also if you are having trouble in the Mountains, try the Serpent Shield vs Wolf attacks. They will bounce away from you, allowing you to throw a Spear at them close range. The Spear Throw will stagger Wolves and is very easy to pull off.
I can easily see Padded Helmet + Root Harnesk + Troll Pants to be a very optimal build for everything (except Plains and Ashlands, just stay away from Fire or you'll burn hard.
Another good combination is Dverger Circlet + Padded Chest + Padded Pants for great Armor and Visibility at night. Sometimes it's just too dark!
And if you wanted to wear the Linen Cape, you can still use that fancy Silver Chestplate for the Cold resist, and the Silver Drake Helmet makes for a good Decoration on an Item Stand.

tl:dr having 100 Armor is overkill, fashion is endgame.

I like heavy armor but wouldn't combo it with a tower shield. I prefer banded when I can get it and then silver shield for style points.

I think root armor is similar to copper as far as rating. IIRC the 1st tier of the next armor is the same (or within just 2) of the maxed out previous armor. So it doesn't pay to say go from max copper to tier 1 iron. Always best to wait till you have enough iron to max 1 armor piece and then another.

I just wear the root helmet in the swamp for the poison resist. Rest is iron as soon as I can start maxing pieces. Iron for me was so short lived and then I had silver. Could try to get silver 1st, but that is a bit dicey in mountains.

I've done fine with Wolf armour on Plains, but I use a light shield and a knife so I attack fast.

It is slow, but the protection is worth it because the enemies hit hard.

I skip bronze in favour of sticking with troll, and then upgrade to either full or partial iron after crafting iron weapons and tools.

im sorry you may need to go more into detail as to what the ♥♥♥♥ you are going on about as bronze iron silver and padded all have the same movement speed debuff.
and honestly you get used to it very easily.
and btw i rock the plains in padded and a crystal battle axe i move slower than you do and i do fine.

Originally posted by arcane:

Now that I finally got out of the Silver age, I find my Wolf armor makes me soooo slow for everything else. It's a pain now that I'm in the plains. Do most people just go Troll to Padded when it's available? It just seems so hard to kite/jump out of the way in the heavier stuff? I guess my other thing is I'm using the serpent shield so it doesnt really parry.

My 1st play through... rags, troll, silver, padded.

Before H&H I used to skip iron... would go from bronze to wolf to padded.

After H&H I don't really feel comfortable starting in the mountains with bronze and make Iron.

Troll is good for just starting into the BF crypts, but feel safer in full bronze for the swamps.. especially with the new swamp miniboss.

The new root armor from that boss has a low movement penalty but is about like bronze?

Still don't think I would want to start into the mountains with it over Iron.

I am sure some people can handle the plains in underwear with no food.... so basically it's up to you. I don't like to die and lose skill progress, so I tend to play more cautiously.

Basically my rule of thumb is that if I get stunned while blocking a hit.. that is bad. That means multiple enemies can stun lock you and tear you up. With the changes to blocking related to food you really have to be careful.

heard someone say somewhere that max root is equivalent to T1 iron. Have not bothered to verify this , but if its true it's pretty positive for the "troll" always crowd. Considering its a vast improvement in stats and still no movement penalty. I just maxxed root out a day or so ago and I have not had any trouble wearing it full time.

Prior to root , i was a full heavy armor guy, max bronze, max iron , max silver, padded etc

Originally posted by Ryzilynt:

heard someone say somewhere that max root is equivalent to T1 iron. Have not bothered to verify this , but if its true it's pretty positive for the "troll" always crowd. Considering its a vast improvement in stats and still no movement penalty. I just maxxed root out a day or so ago and I have not had any trouble wearing it full time.

Prior to root , i was a full heavy armor guy, max bronze, max iron , max silver, padded etc

It does have a movement penalty, just less than metal armor.

I always keep the most recent, heaviest, most-upgraded armor on me and I wear it when I go into areas with strong enemies or whatever section of the game I'm currently up to. When I'm running around, gathering, building, exploring, I only wear the helmet and cape, which impart some benefits but don't slow you down. I just quickly equip/unequip the chest/leggings whenever I need the extra defense.