Why is the development process so slow?
Hello! First of all - I don't want to sound negative but I really don't understand it. Valheim is an outstanding commercial success and millions of fans bought. Yet, the development of further updates is extremely slow.
I've played the game almost a year ago and we've got only a minor updates (no new content, biomes etc) - so what's up with that? I thought that after millions of copies sold the team will significantly expand.
It feels like only couple of people is currently working on Valheim. I mean, in this pace it will take 2-3 years to finish all the biomes.
Still, it's the best mmo/coop games I've played. I'm just really wondering, why is it taking so long?
I've played the game almost a year ago and we've got only a minor updates (no new content, biomes etc) - so what's up with that? I thought that after millions of copies sold the team will significantly expand.
It feels like only couple of people is currently working on Valheim. I mean, in this pace it will take 2-3 years to finish all the biomes.
Still, it's the best mmo/coop games I've played. I'm just really wondering, why is it taking so long?
6:13 pm, January 29, 2022
Goritude replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 1:38:00 pm PST
Seriously an educated person should know nobody reads a wall of text online.
Valheim's company received a ton of cash when their great game was released.
Had the company invested properly, using this money, it would have snowballed: fast updates would have kept players active and attracted new players. Company could have bragged about each new million vikings not 5 or 6 times as it did but much more.
Valheim's company received a ton of cash when their great game was released.
Had the company invested properly, using this money, it would have snowballed: fast updates would have kept players active and attracted new players. Company could have bragged about each new million vikings not 5 or 6 times as it did but much more.
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Lecherous Lychee 🐸 replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 2:03:41 pm PST
Especially on software projects, adding more ppl doesn't add speed... Think of it as Brain Surgery, only each brain/software is completely customized.
Totally agree with this statement. I've been working in software development since the late 1990s. Consumers/clients often believe hiring more people means things will go faster, but in fact, we're not talking about production-line work where people monotonously pack and assemble things. We're talking about understanding the internalized system in which the game is produced. More heads mean more ideas, more methods, more chances of causing problems. A smaller team means a better means to keep to structure and less chance to screw up along the way.
Valheim's company received a ton of cash when their great game was released. Had the company invested properly, using this money, it would have snowballed: fast updates would have kept players active and attracted new players. Company could have bragged about each new million vikings not 5 or 6 times as it did but much more.
Yours is the typical attitude from people who think they know better, yet know next to nothing how software development works. ;)
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PakaNoHida replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 2:17:41 pm PST
Not enough staff or not efficent enough.
Not enough for you.... and that's what burns you. You do not know what is going on, and you want more thus they are automatically in the wrong.
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Jaglet replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 2:23:02 pm PST
People can squabble over the reasons for such slow development but the reality is they took a great success and due to whatever reasons they pretty much killed the golden goose. They know this we all know this and as such I would imagine they are scrooging their money away knowing that there basically will be very few future sales of this game to increase the pot of money. The game died a premature death due to lack of updates and content. The average person wont even remember this game by year one anniversary let alone still have it installed all due to choices of the devs.
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Nekowolf replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 2:39:10 pm PST
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marcusaddamsson replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 2:48:28 pm PST
Frankly, I've been rather impressed with Valheim's traction over the last year plus. Despite the graphics and the fairly slow release schedule... I think the combination of ambiance and overall survival challenge is strong.
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Munin replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 10:17:42 am PST
Please read: https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Roadmap - Especially the FAQ section.
That's true. Iron Gate is not a big company. There's reason number one why things take a bit longer. And yes, they have already hired multiple new devs. It feels like only couple of people is currently working on Valheim.
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Gladi8er65 replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 10:37:11 am PST
Hello! First of all - I don't want to sound negative but I really don't understand it. Valheim is an outstanding commercial success and millions of fans bought. Yet, the development of further updates is extremely slow.
I've played the game almost a year ago and we've got only a minor updates (no new content, biomes etc) - so what's up with that? I thought that after millions of copies sold the team will significantly expand.
It feels like only couple of people is currently working on Valheim. I mean, in this pace it will take 2-3 years to finish all the biomes.
Still, it's the best mmo/coop games I've played. I'm just really wondering, why is it taking so long?
Small team (compared to AAA companies), working remotely, as covid is still a global pandemic, and working steadily, (not rushed) to produce a custom game with custom assets, meaning they aren't using purchased assets and just dropping them in.
They have said all along that they will not rush things, but rather, work slow and steady and try to do it RIGHT the first time rather than push out broken, buggy content due to rushing it.
Good games take time, and that usually means YEARS.... I would expect it to take another year or two, before we get a finished product, and very much think it will be worth the wait.
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TyresTyco replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 10:49:49 am PST
Because it seems sweeden actually has work ethics compared to most "gib me all money first" nations. You know. If you don't need to grind you don't need to grind. Even when most of the gaming industry grinds like there are no gold sandwichs left.
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Altimely replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 11:55:07 am PST
I'm kinda relieved by the pacing. New updates means broken mods and while I'm definitely thirsty for more of what Iron Gate is putting out, I have multiple mods I'm messing with. Cheers to them for taking their time.
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marcusaddamsson replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 12:11:15 pm PST
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month
Especially on software projects, adding more ppl doesn't add speed...
On a personal note, my experience with EA titles that get successful is rather checkered. All the money, etc. adds considerable operational risk to any endeavor (not to get into details).
Historically speaking, a game developer would beat/cajole/etc their drones to get a product out, paying them less on the promise that if successful they'd get a payday and a chance to work on the sequel. The software they'd make was mostly disposable trash that only just barely worked, and was an absolute nightmare to maintain for any amount of time. "Burn Time" was the ultimate thing dictating most game developers: "How much cash we got before we kick out a product regardless...?"
The software for an longer-term EA title on Steam has to be a completely different beast, even if it prolly starts off similarly. More like a software development team for a business.
Especially on software projects, adding more ppl doesn't add speed...
On a personal note, my experience with EA titles that get successful is rather checkered. All the money, etc. adds considerable operational risk to any endeavor (not to get into details).
Historically speaking, a game developer would beat/cajole/etc their drones to get a product out, paying them less on the promise that if successful they'd get a payday and a chance to work on the sequel. The software they'd make was mostly disposable trash that only just barely worked, and was an absolute nightmare to maintain for any amount of time. "Burn Time" was the ultimate thing dictating most game developers: "How much cash we got before we kick out a product regardless...?"
The software for an longer-term EA title on Steam has to be a completely different beast, even if it prolly starts off similarly. More like a software development team for a business.
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Goritude replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 12:12:12 pm PST
Devs are slow and boss is too timorous or greedy to invest into new staff.
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donttouchmyhohos replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 12:25:47 pm PST
and you are too stupid to educate yourself. they hired new staff Devs are slow and boss is too timorous or greedy to invest into new staff.
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Goritude replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 12:41:57 pm PST
Not enough staff or not efficent enough.
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DeMasked replied to Why is the development process so slow? January 29, 2022 @ 1:11:20 pm PST
Not enough staff or not efficent enough.
Perhaps instead of investing so much time into conspiracies you should take the previous advice and educate yourself on the matters regarding small companies getting a ton of money due to streamer hype and what ways they can respond to such investments.
One would have to gain knowledge of their development time before the game was released to Early Access to get a better idea when it comes to scaling time in development and content releases. Getting a lot of money during a Global Pandemic where they'd have to hire more people, train them, possibly look for an actual facility / office unless they are working remotely in which case there would need to be IT difficulties to overcome while at the same time continuing to work on the game enough for come out with valid content releases to please the masses...
Yea I'd cut them some slack. Those who invest in an Early Access product bear some of the responsibility when it comes to understanding that investing in an unfinished product will take time for completion and changes may not be to their liking in the end. It's a risk or gamble and if you can't handle that then you are better off wish listing early access games and buying them sometime after they fully release. Whining and throwing baseless accusations isn't going to make things go faster - if anything it would add more stress for the developers which could negatively impact the quality/quantity of work.
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