Well you only get the stone fireplace with iron and it would seem the mechanics are designed to make us use both rather than one or the other. So it works in terms of progression.

That said, I don't think it would be terrible if you could put 5 lower level meats on each metal cook stand hook.

Originally posted by Mozzy:

Originally posted by jonnin:

isnt the iron one 5 at a time vs 2?
I get that is all but meaningless, but hey, its 'bigger'

yes and no, that was my main point about why oddly wood is better.

iron one has 5 hooks, true - vs just 2 slots for wooden. So on 1:1 basis, iron holds more and is better.

but iron is so large, you can fit 10+ wooden ones on same hearth space that you can put 1 or at max 2 iron ones. So total capacity is 5 vs 20, or best case 10 vs 20 if you squeeze in iron in same space as 10 wood.

idk i managed to get 2 onto one hearth just fine, plus you can cook ALL meat variants on it vs the limitations on the wood version.

so it has at least 2 advantages over the wood version.

Originally posted by Kraft51:

Originally posted by Mozzy:

yes and no, that was my main point about why oddly wood is better.

iron one has 5 hooks, true - vs just 2 slots for wooden. So on 1:1 basis, iron holds more and is better.

but iron is so large, you can fit 10+ wooden ones on same hearth space that you can put 1 or at max 2 iron ones. So total capacity is 5 vs 20, or best case 10 vs 20 if you squeeze in iron in same space as 10 wood.

idk i managed to get 2 onto one hearth just fine, plus you can cook ALL meat variants on it vs the limitations on the wood version.

so it has at least 2 advantages over the wood version.

Right, you can fit 2 iron cooking stations on 1 hearth - but on that same hearth, you could have put 10+ wood stations.

2 iron = 10 meat at once
10 wood = 20+ at once

even aside the need for rare chain for iron station, you're getting easily double capacity or more per hearth with wood.

Originally posted by Mozzy:

Originally posted by Kraft51:

idk i managed to get 2 onto one hearth just fine, plus you can cook ALL meat variants on it vs the limitations on the wood version.

so it has at least 2 advantages over the wood version.

Right, you can fit 2 iron cooking stations on 1 hearth - but on that same hearth, you could have put 10+ wood stations.

2 iron = 10 meat at once
10 wood = 20+ at once

even aside the need for rare chain for iron station, you're getting easily double capacity or more per hearth with wood.

so what, you are limited to only lower grade foods then, why would you ever want to do that?

Originally posted by Kraft51:

Originally posted by Mozzy:

Right, you can fit 2 iron cooking stations on 1 hearth - but on that same hearth, you could have put 10+ wood stations.

2 iron = 10 meat at once
10 wood = 20+ at once

even aside the need for rare chain for iron station, you're getting easily double capacity or more per hearth with wood.

so what, you are limited to only lower grade foods then, why would you ever want to do that?

Same question back at you - why would you want to cook things up till serpent meat / lox slower than stacking bunch of cheap wood racks in same space?

Especially when by definition of game progression, no one starts at iron but introduced to wood first. So paraphrasing same question, why would you want to go from superior capacity to inferior capacity? Why would you ever do that?

Also, for lots of players, a good long part of the game is before ever encountering serpent or lox. That's a ton of time to get used to the capacity speed of wood vs downgrade with iron.

Originally posted by Mozzy:

Originally posted by Kraft51:

so what, you are limited to only lower grade foods then, why would you ever want to do that?

Same question back at you - why would you want to cook things up till serpent meat / lox slower than stacking bunch of cheap wood racks in same space?

Especially when by definition of game progression, no one starts at iron but introduced to wood first. So paraphrasing same question, why would you want to go from superior capacity to inferior capacity? Why would you ever do that?

Also, for lots of players, a good long part of the game is before ever encountering serpent or lox. That's a ton of time to get used to the capacity speed of wood vs downgrade with iron.

ok, you really are trying too hard to be right. we're discussing the advantages of the iron cook stations vs wood cook stations ..... if you are able to even build the iron cook station then naturally you're at the stage of being able to get those higher end foods. so bringing up early game is irrelevant to the scope of the discussion.

Serpent meat requires the iron cooking station.

Originally posted by Panfilo:

Serpent meat requires the iron cooking station.

Oh it does? Well that's good then, haven't got that far in my play - I keep restarting over around iron age or bit before.

Will keep going this time and hopefully at least have some reason to make iron cooking station aside from aesthetics.

Originally posted by Panfilo:

Serpent meat requires the iron cooking station.

If I remember correctly the same is true about Lox meat, maybe someone can confirm?

Originally posted by teamguard:

Originally posted by Panfilo:

Serpent meat requires the iron cooking station.

If I remember correctly the same is true about Lox meat, maybe someone can confirm?

Lox meat does indeed also need the big cooking station.

what the food is cooked on should not make any difference on the foods effects when consumed

Originally posted by _I_:

what the food is cooked on should not make any difference on the foods effects when consumed

I agree with this assessment, however, a larger cooking station should at least allow for larger portion sizes of earlier recipes, compared to the smaller device. Allowing for additional recipes is a normal attribute of a next generation station.

Originally posted by _I_:

what the food is cooked on should not make any difference on the foods effects when consumed

There are 2 equally valid (in my opinion) replies to this, based on:

1. The realism argument - what the food is cooked on -DOES- make a difference in both quality and taste in real life.

Now neither of us knows what game mechanism Valheim considers as the primary 'quality' trigger that makes some cooked items better than others, but just about every cooked quality can and does differ based on type of surface and/or what it is cooked on.

Meat cooked on a cast iron surface has a very different grilled taste, as well as different levels of heating to the center when put on a metal spit vs just laid open over a fire (iron cooking hooks vs wood lay on top stations in valheim)

So while neither of us can say what 'taste' or intangible 'magic' quality Valheim uses because of course it is a game, you are quoting a real life justification that isn't really true. What the food is cooked on does make quite the difference in real life food so why shouldn't that same argument carry over to magic food?

2. The in-game Valheim world logic that we as players can see -

In just about every other category of device in Valheim, the player is given added / better functionality as the 'tech level' of the item goes up or you add more 'levels' to it.

So from a pure game logic pov, then yes, what the food is cooked on should matter because apparently that same logic holds true for practically everything else. Upgrade your base item, make better / more functional items with it.

So even if the realistic argument doesn't make sense, the current in-game logic all points to the assumption that an iron cooking station ought to have at least some token functional improvement over wood. And I didn't say originally just quality - it could be speed of cooking, anything.

isnt the iron one 5 at a time vs 2?
I get that is all but meaningless, but hey, its 'bigger'

Originally posted by jonnin:

isnt the iron one 5 at a time vs 2?
I get that is all but meaningless, but hey, its 'bigger'

yes and no, that was my main point about why oddly wood is better.

iron one has 5 hooks, true - vs just 2 slots for wooden. So on 1:1 basis, iron holds more and is better.

but iron is so large, you can fit 10+ wooden ones on same hearth space that you can put 1 or at max 2 iron ones. So total capacity is 5 vs 20, or best case 10 vs 20 if you squeeze in iron in same space as 10 wood.