Read if you hate mistlands

Hello, fellow Vikings.

This is going to be a lengthy post, however I feel like this conversation is very necessary.
I’ve been seeing several posts complaining about the mistlands and, although I can totally sympathize, I can’t help but notice that many of the complaints miss the point, not only of the biome, but also of the game itself. It’s surprising to me that a player who has reached the endgame have failed to learn some fundamental aspects of the game.

I don’t mean to be condescending to anyone, I just hope that, if you are currently hating mistlands, please consider the points in this post before moving forward.

  • This post doesn’t contain spoilers.
  • I apologize for mistakes in my English

1 – Valheim is not a fast paced game

I noticed some people go through the game by exploring one biome, harvesting materials to build the best gear, killing the boss and then moving on to the next biome. That is not by any means the way the game was meant to be played. Valheim is meant to be played at a very slow pace, focusing on exploration way more than progress. For instance, I see a lot of people complaining that when they die is difficult to recover their gear. This is often due to the fact I mentioned before: people build the best gear and move on. If this is your only decent gear in a game where you are at risk of dying at all times, that is a mistake in your part. You cannot expect to be easy to run naked into enemy territory, so you must be prepared. You should have more gear and more weapons. If you lose your sword, bring a hammer, if you die again, bring a spear. Farm animals and bulk cook food, so you can always have spare food to eat before leaving. Not only gear, but all materials should be harvested to full extent. If your exploration consists of, say, finding one big swamp, harvesting all the iron and then never expecting to return to the swamp, you are missing a key component of the game design. You should be exploring several islands with lots of swamps and bringing lots of iron back. If you die with an iron gear, you should have enough iron to make more. You shouldn’t be moving into the mistlands unless you have at least a full chest of iron and black iron spare. This translates into skill points as well. I see a lot of people complaining about the loss of skill points. Yes, they are difficult to maintain, however people usually complain because they move too quick to the next biome. If you spend more time exploring the same biome, even after defeating the boss, you will be in top gear and probably will be very difficult to kill, meaning you can train your skills for a longer time without dying. If you try to rush the game you will be entering new areas with low skill level, which will make it more difficult, so you will die more and lose more skill level. Valheim is not a game that is supposed to be beaten with incredible player skill that could make up for lack of gear or skill points, such as elden ring, instead it requires you to be smart about it, which includes doing extra farming and leveling before entering a new area. In short, it’s a game that allows you to grind to make it more survivable. You can decide to not do that, but you would have to do it at your own peril.

2 – transportation

Another thing I noticed is that a lot of people seem to have a mentality of "going into a place, harvesting tons of stuff and then going home". If you try to do that, you will be quite frustrated. What you should do instead, is to be constantly making portals as you go and bringing stuff back. If you die, you didn’t lose a lot of stuff, and you will have a portal close to the area so it’s easier to recover your stuff. This also covers a lot of the complaints I read about inventory space. It is surprising to me that people who are reaching the mistlands are still complaining about inventory space. You had a lot of time to learn to manage your inventory. Whenever I leave for exploring, I tend to have most of my inventory full. I bring armor, sword, shield, bow, maybe secondary weapon, foods, meads, bombs, ammo, building hammer, axe, pickaxe, plus materials to build portal. And somehow inventory space is hardly a problem. This is mostly due to what I mentioned above. Once you clear a certain area, you should build a portal, put the metals in chests and bring the rest home. This will make the process way less frustrating. One you finish exploring that full peace of biome, then you drag all your metals to the base. This is, I’m afraid, a mandatory component of the game, since we are talking about vikings. Going into other lands, killing the local populace, stealing their resources and hauling everything overseas. Basically Europeans in the 1500s but with cool beards and mead. And I’m under the impression that people think that, because they dropped their items they have it. It’s not true. You don’t actually have an item until it’s safe in your base. If you die, you didn’t lose it, you just failed at the second part of acquiring it. Because this is a crucial part of the game, you should be devoting a lot of your energy thinking about this. Optimizing items transportation is almost as important as mastering combat. If you are not doing this, then once again I’m afraid this is a fault in your part, not the game.

3 – mistlands

I’m still not done with the mistlands, but so far exploration doesn't seem that bad. I’ve seen several complaints that miss the point of the biome. For one, people think you should explore it by constantly jumping over the mountains. That is insane. As others pointed out recently, you should see the biome as maze, not a bunch of cliffs. Once you enter the biome, try to find level ground, and go from there. You can go very far on level ground. Eventually you will meet some terrain you need to jump over, but it most certainly does not consist in the majority of the time you will spend in the mistlands. Also, unlike other biomes, you shouldn’t just walk and explore everything, this area demands actually tracing the places to be able to navigate them, and here too there are things you can do to make the game easier for you. You could, for instance, build a path of lights as you navigate a certain area. Once you are completely done exploring that area, unbuild the lights and move on the next area. That way you won’t get lost and you won’t have to deal with the mist too much. This will take a lot of time and materials, but like I’ve said before, you can grind to make the game easier or you can try the hard way. In short, unlike other biomes where you will run into it and explore as much as you can, in the mistlands you should take every step carefully and trace your path as you go. It’s my opinion that the haste to explore it causes more frustration than the terrain itself.

It’s not my intention to minimize some very real problems of the biome. Slope combat mod for instance, was very helpful in the mountains, but now it’s almost mandatory, and I truly hope they fix this. However, as I mentioned in the first point, the focus of the game should be exploration. You should be thinking “how do I go about exploring and discovering this place?” instead of “where is the good stuff so I can build the best gear already?”. Playing is a conversation between you and the devs, where the devs will ask what you want from the game and you ask what the game wants from you. And I know different people like to play in different ways, but it will be very a very frustrating process if you play against core elements of the game design.
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Sardonic replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 4:13:39 pm PST

Originally posted by Faceplant8:
That brings up another question that maybe someone can answer. Has anyone analyzed the tradeoff between using stamina to glide father and using stamina to swim? My assumption is that if you "run" while gliding over water that it uses less stamina than if you had to swim the extra distance, but I don't know that for sure. Of course, it depends on skill level, but I wonder if there's a rule-of-thumb.

depends on your swim level. Since most people will have it hardly leveled, then yeah, the cape uses less stamina.
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FissionChips replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 4:17:58 pm PST

We need a flying skill :steamhappy:
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Calvian replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 5:11:11 pm PST

Your post left a sour taste in my mouth.

A full chest of iron? No I don't think this was ever considered. Backup gear, easy access portals to the area you are in (as well as possibly the ability to repair in that area) I totally agree with, but farming out a full chest of metals ESPECIALLY black metal is overkill (although play long enough and the box will fill up eventually). I've got probably 10 portals and five or more stacks of all the metals but I also have a "get back quick" box with spare gear of CURRENT mistlands gear, meads, food, spinesnap, 100 frost and 100 needle arrows. Deathsquitos taught me this stuff was needed as corpse runs naked became totally unrealistic if not impossible at that point (shoulda done it earlier, 2 star drauger archers were pretty bad as well). I think one spare set of gear on hand at any given point is more than enough to reobtain your tombstone/gear.

I think maybe YOU are missing the point of gaming in general. There is no one way to play. Some people rush to the next stage and yes, they will struggle. Some even enjoy the struggle and living on the edge, I have a rl friend who rushes and enjoys blocking/parry mechanics vs targets he would have a much easier time sneaking up on or kiting to death with a bow (which is what I do). The edge of death, the fact that one false step can cost you, that's part of the thrill. Some people overestimate their "skill", if you can call it that, and then get sore when they die (usually to worldsave lag for my friend because he ignored the 30 second warning).

The only thing I agree with in your post is that there are a lot of complaints, but not all games will cater to all player appetites. I tried playing a public server and found the other players speed running the content and killing bosses as fast as they could then other players getting frustrated when world difficulty ramped up and made building nearly impossible. Everyone is different so throwing people into the game expecting them all to have the same strategy and game experience is massively short sighted.

All things said, I am probably finished with mistlands till ashlands releases as all I have left is the queen and maybe skill ups for elemental magics. I might give her a try or two but last time I waited to kill yagluth until mistlands released so I could keep horde raids around and I very much profited from that choice when seeker raids wiped some friends meadows bases out totally and mine was unaffected.

TLDR : Bad post. I had fun in mistlands on my own, with my own playstyle but not everyone will and that's to be expected.
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Frankie replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 1:28:53 pm PST

I have just come to the conclusion that the devs are incompetent and had a lucky hit with the initial released version of the game. Mistland wasn't very hard for me it was exhausting.
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william_es replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 3:17:07 pm PST

The mistlands were fine once I just adapted to them. Stamina is far far far more important then it is in earlier biomes.

But I'm going to throw out my crackpot idea again: what mistlands _really_ needed at launch was flying vehicles. Seriously.

The gjall float around without any means of support. Have the gjalls drop a special "float" gland, that allows you to craft a sort of hot air balloon as a starter flying vehicle. Slow, hard to steer, but it can drop an anchor down to the _top_ of a mountain, allowing you explore the mountain and the area around it safer. You'd travel from mountain top to mountain top exploring into the mistlands.

Later on, when the mistlands forge is unlocked, we have recipes for making parts needed for actual flying ships, like a longboat slug underneath a long cylindrical airbag. Steers betters, moves faster, etc. Have several versions, a smaller one and a larger one, just like we have with ocean ships.
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Nerevar replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 3:38:25 pm PST

yeah no. no airships please. maybe in the very final biome. but not now. it would make travel way too trivial if you can fly above everything safely.

but i hope theyll add a new type of ship in the next update. its overdue. the longship is from iron age still. and now that we have lanterns and ballistas i want a ship which has both. maybe one with 2 sails even. which has a installed workbench (non upgradeable tough) with a very small radius around the ship. so you can use the smaller ships to get to shore and leave the big ship away from the land but use it to travel the longer distances with it.
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Sardonic replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 3:47:52 pm PST

It's mostly casuals that dislike valheim. People who have 100 or less hours under their belts. They come in here like snowbirds come to visit their summer homes and pretend they should be allowed to vote on city policy even though they only live there a 1/4 of the year.

I think most of us know the game is basically a slow burn exploration hobby. There's always gonna be the clinical xboxy players that don't think there's enough hand holding. Speaking of which, cross play is going to make for some...colorful dialogue when it launches.
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FissionChips replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 3:55:59 pm PST

I love valheim. My biggest complaint with mistlands is the mist, and the useless tools that do nothing to combat it. My second biggest complaint is the lack of mobs and the frankly ♥♥♥♥ AI.
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Faceplant8 replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 4:08:18 pm PST

Originally posted by Zep Tepi:
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Embrace your inner mountain goat, and learn to carefully slide down to the next ledge. The cape made very little difference to me because I was already used to getting back down safely. (Disclaimer: my wisplight was doubled in range, so if you can't see below you enough to find a safe path down, then yeah, complaints are fully justified.)

Slide down? With the cape? Nooooooo! :-)

Seriously, that, and what the OP describes is the exact opposite of my preferred method of travel in ML. Like someone else mentioned, the baddies are near ground level, also, the mist doesn't extend to the tops of the tall rocks, so you can see the terrain. Not all the ground, but you can see the other peaks and use them as navigation markers. You can also often just hop between them using the cape.

Many of the peaks are also the diagonal rocks, which are relatively easy to find and normally some of the highest peaks.

The biggest danger, of course, is water. Sometimes you can see the hare swimming in the water through the mist, but if all you see is mist and you're not familier with it, you have to assume it's water, and you have to estimate a worst case of where you are going to land and how far you might have to swim after.

That brings up another question that maybe someone can answer. Has anyone analyzed the tradeoff between using stamina to glide father and using stamina to swim? My assumption is that if you "run" while gliding over water that it uses less stamina than if you had to swim the extra distance, but I don't know that for sure. Of course, it depends on skill level, but I wonder if there's a rule-of-thumb.
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FissionChips replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 12:45:45 pm PST

LIES.

No other words really. Dunno what game you're playing but it's not mistlands in valheim. Mistlands is cliffs, water, and slide gradient slopes, with mines hidden in cliffs. On rare occasion you find a patch like you say, but the majority isn't like that.

And since you can't even see an inch at a time you can't find good spots without fully jumping over ALL the cliffs in the bad just in case.
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Zep Tepi replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 1:06:08 pm PST

The cliffs are safer than the ground. You will never have to worry about a soldier while up a rock. Seekers, despite having wings, aren't very good at following you over jagged terrain. (Found that out while trying to bring them to a dvergr camp.) You're more likely to see the gjall because you are higher up. If you can fight them from the same level, as in they're not above you, they don't drop ticks on you.

You will get swarmed if you get close to a mine while down on the flat ground. It's a good indicator that a mine is nearby.

Embrace your inner mountain goat, and learn to carefully slide down to the next ledge. The cape made very little difference to me because I was already used to getting back down safely. (Disclaimer: my wisplight was doubled in range, so if you can't see below you enough to find a safe path down, then yeah, complaints are fully justified.)
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76561198097107304 replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 12:23:08 pm PST

So true
My philosophy is not to play it, but to live it.
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Turd King replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 12:35:20 pm PST

1: Make extra gear before moving on to next biome. (Great advice)

2: Have a unnamed portal at home and bring a portal kit ready to throw down while exploring. (great advice)

3: Just like the swamps and how you had to readjust your tactics to compensate for the swampy landscape. The mistlands is no different In a matter of speaking.


People expecting the "endgame" to translate into "Im super powerful". Not how this game works. Why would mistlands be any different?

Also keep in mind how long the games been out.
The mistlands is obviously made for the veteran valheim player at this point. So once you get to this point IF your still stumbling around at this level of the game, then you get what you get.
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grinsekeatzchen replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 12:38:10 pm PST

So to shorten youre post
"When you don't play as I or other People wanted to play and then complain about things, these complains are not worthy any time"?

You say the Point of the Game is exploration. I always thought the Main Point of the Game is Building. Because Exploring Valheim brings you only so far until you saw everything. There are no real POI's. The dungeons have all the same stuff, which you can at some point get in ton's from mobs whitout even farming them. And the Biomes, apart from random generating are all the same.
And the most screenshot's and Videos i see is about Building and Fighting. Not finding super cool POI's which animate you to explore the Map.

The only time i really explored the game was in the beginning. After that, the only times i explore the maps is, when i search for a need building-spot.

The portal thing is again a "Play like i want" thing for me personally. Because there are people who play mainly whitout portals and even with portals, there are restrictions, so you need to Travel a lot in this game when you acutally want to Build with Metal and not just make weapons or armor on the Spot. And the inventory stuff is not because of bad Inventory-managment, it's because this game added so much stuff, whitout compensating for it. Just one Row would change everything. Or an extra UI for youre Clothes, and a belt for youre weapons/potions like every other game does.
There is always a point when games do the same stuff, It's not special when you insist on leaving this stuff out and making it more inconvenient for youre players.

Also the gear-thing. This is just my opinion, but the people who complain about dying a lot would also die in best gear, and most of them die in their best gear which makes them so salty in the first place :D.

Not saying that every rant is justified, but saying you play the game is wrong is not very helpfull in my opinion. This is a Open World survival game, there is no right way to play it. And how do you even know these people play not exactly like you do, and even then having all these problems?
I mean, when you have fun with this, that's totaly fine. But don't expect everyone to have the same playstyle as you or have the same experience with the same playstyle. People are different for a reason.
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iamoffline1 replied to Read if you hate mistlands January 16, 2023 @ 12:42:58 pm PST

Also use map pins and markers to map anything you already explored so you will just have to take one look on the map to check where to head next.
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