Originally posted by Khalysto:

The entire genre of traditional Rogelike games are exactly this (encounter > Death > understand > encounter > death > more understanding).

My bad.

I didn't know this was a rougelike.

If people enjoy spending hours trying to figure out how to cheese poor game mechanics, power to them.

This is a pretty fun game otherwise. It has a lot of issues and despite all of them it's an incredibly atmospheric and immersive game. But I don't feel like fighting a bunch of arbitrary mechanics when it comes to navigating and fighting.

Fumbling around to find the poly you can run up, suddenly whiffing all your attacks and dodges. The terrian is just not fit for purpose, which is playing Valheim on.

Originally posted by Tomiro:

I'm pretty sure that I've had more problems fighting wolves in the mountains on slopes

This. There's nothing new or extraordinary regarding this matter in mistlands. It's literally a user issue, either not paying enough attention or not spending enough time in mountains.

You can always choose your battleground.

I wouldn't mind the ability to angle your attack slightly up or down when fighting, or blocking/parrying. For the times the difference in height is subtle, and still allows an attack to get through your block/parry, or your attack to miss a target you clearly should have the ability to hit lol.

They did put effort into how a player stands and moves on slopes. The fighting needs more work, IMO.

Originally posted by TheQuixote:

Originally posted by Khalysto:

....You can't play the Mistlands the way *you* want to play it. You have to play the Mistlands in the way it requires you to...

Or...

I could just not play it. Put it down for a week shortly after getting there and immediately get into another gear retrieval loop.

Just turns into one of those games only masochist and gate keepers can love.

Brute force learning how to deal with this place is too expensive time wise. 20 minutes for the power to come back up. Time spent making all the food buffs. And it's mostly because the mechanics are just.... unfinished.

Sure, you can just not play it, but that doesn't really need to be said as that's an obvious answer and is a non-solution.

There's nothing masochistic about having to prepare before going into a zone. There's nothing masochistic about gearing yourself appropriately when you don't know what to expect and death is probably likely. The entire genre of traditional Rogelike games are exactly this (encounter > Death > understand > encounter > death > more understanding). if what you said (only masochists/gatekeeper blablabla) was true, Valheim wouldn't be as successful as it is and the Roguelike/Roguelite genre wouldn't have experienced a massive resurgence. But i appreciate that you don't like it.

it takes 5-10 seconds to regen a stamina pool of roughly 200 points when you have your rested bonus. Stop trying to spam action and you'll have better luck.

I'm pretty sure that I've had more problems fighting wolves in the mountains on slopes, than any enemy in the Mistlands. Maybe it is because its now so ingrained in me not to engage anyone on slopes. Also few enemies hang around those really steep cliffs in the Mistlands. They are almost always on somewhat flat ground, in contrast to the mountains, where wolves often attack when you are climbing up and there is no flat ground nearby.

The game has taught you many times that fighting an enemy on uneven terrain is a losing battle. Whether you think the game should address this or not, insisting on fighting while ignoring this rule in the Mistlands is a poor choice.

As has been said, this game is about preparation. What this means is you *have* to know your surrounding terrain *before* you get in a fight. When I hear the tell of a Gjall or Seeker, and the sound is coming from the direction I want to go, I back track / explore laterally until I find a decent fighting area, then I start pickaxing terrain / stone to draw them to me. If there's no reasonable terrain near me, I hide until stam is maxed and I get as close as I can without aggroing. Once I'm as close as I can get, I rest for full stam, then book it.

You can't play the Mistlands the way *you* want to play it. You have to play the Mistlands in the way it requires you to play IF you don't want to suffer massive XP loss. I *tried* to use Fenris in Mistlands but the terrain is too disadvantageous to a mobility build for me (at the time), so I opt for Fenris when scouting, Carapace / Etir Weave(Blood) when fighting in Mistlands.

Originally posted by Khalysto:

....You can't play the Mistlands the way *you* want to play it. You have to play the Mistlands in the way it requires you to...

Or...

I could just not play it. Put it down for a week shortly after getting there and immediately get into another gear retrieval loop.

Just turns into one of those games only masochist and gate keepers can love.

Brute force learning how to deal with this place is too expensive time wise. 20 minutes for the power to come back up. Time spent making all the food buffs. And it's mostly because the mechanics are just.... unfinished.

It does.
And this just piles onto a cascading list of annoying designs. While exploring you can't see far, so you stumble onto something, It's melee and randomly one or two star. And since you couldn't see far and you're in an area you can't really navigate ( another head scratcher there, "lets make a biome they can't travel in" ) you're forced into a melee encounter. But you're constantly missing because nothing's flat enough to melee something else.

Mistlands made the spear my favorite weapon. Yeet!

Its amazing that they chose the design of the new biome specifically to highlight the shortcomings and inadequacies of the combat.

Originally posted by Pat Fenis:

Mistlands made the spear my favorite weapon. Yeet!

...and still makes the bow and a Skill=100, my most used weapon. When the mechanics cheeze you[NPCs @ no stamina lost swimming/fighting, vertical combat enabled, etc...], you cheeze right back as it seems to be the expected tactic.

I fight with the bow until I absolutely have to melee...and try to get on a level footing in the meantime.

You improvise, you adapt, you overcome Gunnery Sergeant Tom Highway

IDK if it's cheese but throwing the spear staggers a seeker and a follow up hit kills it. If they are in your face the spear bounces right back into your hand. I don't think it's cheese because you're throwing your weapon away and if you miss that's skill issue.

Other ways I deal with uneven terrain: mace secondary uppercut and 1h axe secondary overhead chop. They connect easily but will only do half damage if they also hit the terrain (usually does).

Yes the biome design is really bad, doubly so considering the well known and documented limitations of the melee mechanisms.

That being said, it's still possible to make it work. I usually switch between porcupine, mistsword, frostner and demolisher. This last one is kind of the "f-k this sh-t, I don't have time for this". It just destroys everything around it, regardless of elevation.

well, mistlands design certainly highlights some valheim's technical limitations