Personally, I believe there's a bug in the raid system. Be careful complaining about it, though, the community for this game takes poorly to any claims that there might be something broken with the difficulty.

I made a post a couple weeks ago about having something like 30 greydwarfs/shamans/brutes spawn in over the course of about 8 seconds (the length of time between seeing "The Forest Is Moving" and stepping out my front door, followed by getting stun-locked in my bed while they killed me repeatedly and destroyed my house), and got flamed so hard a mod locked the thread.

If you want to avoid waves of "git gud, scrub", just chalk it up to finding a bad spot in the code, and hope it doesn't happen again.

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

Personally, I believe there's a bug in the raid system. Be careful complaining about it, though, the community for this game takes poorly to any claims that there might be something broken with the difficulty.

I made a post a couple weeks ago about having something like 30 greydwarfs/shamans/brutes spawn in over the course of about 8 seconds (the length of time between seeing "The Forest Is Moving" and stepping out my front door, followed by getting stun-locked in my bed while they killed me repeatedly and destroyed my house), and got flamed so hard a mod locked the thread.

If you want to avoid waves of "git gud, scrub", just chalk it up to finding a bad spot in the code, and hope it doesn't happen again.

That's interesting. I have noticed recently that during the Hunt event I sometimes get a dozen wolves at once. I thought it was supposed to be like 4 or 5 simultaneously. I can dispose of them very easily but maybe there has been some changes to events yes.

Hey, got some good news for ya. I hear the devs are working on a difficulty setting for servers. There will defo be a toggle for skill loss on death, but there might be something in there for raids too. Its definitely been complained about in the past.

Originally posted by General_Strom:

I log on and my place is being ATTACKED by a whole group of swamp mobs while I am in the meadow lands FAR FROM ANY SWAMP. I have ZERO iron items and OLBY have tier 2 to 3 armor and weapons. When I logged off there were no !@#$# mobs attacking. I log in and I die over and over and over while they destroy my base that I spent hours building

IF you think this is fun your definition of the word is VERY @#$% different from mine.

Welcome to the game. Git gud.

Just kidding!

If the Elder in the seed on which you are playing has been killed then the swamp raids are triggered. If you've killed the Elder, you would have already have dealt with raids from the Black Forest ("The Forest is Moving") and you would have (should have) built some defences against that. If not, chalk this up to a learning experience. Get those fences up and trenches dug in! Then work on making your place look awesome.

If you're spending a lot of time at your base within range of work benches and/or beds, then you're more likely to trigger an event after about 45-ish minutes.

If you're on a dedicated server where people can come and go as they like - this is an issue with the server, not the game. Someone else has been playing, killed the bosses, and you have to deal with the fall-out from that in the form of raids which are probably too high a level for you to manage. It's one of the few downfalls of playing on a dedicated server that anyone can log into at whatever time that they like. The game was never really intended to be played like that. So it'll be a bit crap if you're low level or a new player.

Also, people can be right dkheads on servers and can (and will) spawn stuff in to mess with others.

This is not me defending the game or giving you grief, I'm just saying how it is. Not going to get into any arguments about how or why or if the game does this but it's been this way since day one and hasn't changed much since then.

Originally posted by Kitsune Dzelda:

... the devs are working on a difficulty setting for servers. There will defo be a toggle for skill loss on death ...

Source? Last I saw anything official they were working on levels e.g. easy/normal/hard, not individual settings - and that wasn't a guarantee, just what they were working on.

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I've mentioned this before, it is possible to get to swamp raids without having had a raid yet. The event triggers are something like 20% chance every 46 minutes, nothing is guaranteed. Statistically the longer you play the more likely you are to have a raid, but your first raid could be eithyker rallying or the hoarde - so even on the off chance you actually notice the raven and can get to him to find out what the thing that already happened was about, that could be well after you should have learnt about it to prepare for the later harder raids.

In general Valheim is terrible at informing players. Raids is just another one of those things.

Originally posted by vinyblaster:

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

Personally, I believe there's a bug in the raid system. Be careful complaining about it, though, the community for this game takes poorly to any claims that there might be something broken with the difficulty.

I made a post a couple weeks ago about having something like 30 greydwarfs/shamans/brutes spawn in over the course of about 8 seconds (the length of time between seeing "The Forest Is Moving" and stepping out my front door, followed by getting stun-locked in my bed while they killed me repeatedly and destroyed my house), and got flamed so hard a mod locked the thread.

If you want to avoid waves of "git gud, scrub", just chalk it up to finding a bad spot in the code, and hope it doesn't happen again.

That's interesting. I have noticed recently that during the Hunt event I sometimes get a dozen wolves at once. I thought it was supposed to be like 4 or 5 simultaneously. I can dispose of them very easily but maybe there has been some changes to events yes.

According to the wiki its 6 at once max. From experience though, If you kill one during the raid timer a new one spawns.

During troll raids you can lead the trolls away from your base. If you exit the raid circle the raid timer pauses and when you enter the raid circle after killing the 2 that spawned 2 new ones will spawn when you re-enter the raid circle. You can actually farm enough troll hide in one raid to complete the troll set this way.

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

... I made a post a couple weeks ago ... and got flamed so hard a mod locked the thread. ...

Oof, even some of the comments left standing are a trip to read. Always amazes me people suggesting things that aren't possible yet in a players progression.

The worst situation I have had regarding invasions is when they begin as my character is in the process of entering sleep mode. This has not happened a lot maybe 6 times over the course of 5000 hours, but it has happened and imo it should not happen, a player should not be able to be in a situation where they can do absolutely nothing while their base is under attack. The majority of times the trigger occurs as my character is in the process of laying down, but it has happened twice after that point, when darkness has descended.

Originally posted by FissionChips:

In general Valheim is terrible at informing players. Raids is just another one of those things.

A bit off topic, but in the same vein:
I think there is also 0 mentioning of the trader? So if you are unlucky with his spawn points and don't look up stuff online you could miss him completely, or am I wrong?

Each map has 10 possible trader Haldor spawn locations, the only way to miss him is to never leave your starting island.

Originally posted by Complaintdesk:

Each map has 10 possible trader Haldor spawn locations, the only way to miss him is to never leave your starting island.

That's not true if you are unlucky and have a bad seed. In my very first run the next trader spawn point was literally at the other end of the world and I would have never found him if I didn't read out his location from the game files after wasting 2 real life weeks of trying to find him. It's possible that they added more spawn points after that and I never had such a bad seed again but I still find it a bit silly that there is no mention of him. Why not let Hugin or one of the runestones drop a hint?

Trenches are okay, but raised earthen walls are actually better. If you just have trenches, trolls can stand on the edge and slam rocks at you. Smash a bunch of stuff up.

You can created raised "walls" by using the hoe to add stone. it will stretch the bottom level of the map (the mesh) upward. If you stand in one spot, the ground will raise up farther and farther and leave perfectly smooth sides. They'll still be sloped a bit, but can almost get them straight up and down.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2760270389

and the shot below is of an attempt to make "merlons" on the wall. My character is standing on a sloping ramp in the corner of the walls.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2760270446

The merlons were functional, not decorative. I used them when attacked by ice drakes, so I could hide behind them to block their shots. Pop out and shoot back at them with a bow.

The game is intentionally frustrating, it brings you to your knees so you feel truly satisfied when you rise up from the ashes.

That's either a raid because you killed the Elder, or you're playing on a server and someone else sent them after you. Was there a big red circle on the mini map? Killing a boss unlocks raids for the next biome up.

Digging a trench around your entire base solves most raid problems until you get to the mountains.

Raids are so punishing for newer players they really need to make it so they can be disabled.. they have no clue as to what they are doing.. it's ridiculous..

The game is intentionally frustrating, it brings you to your knees so you feel truly satisfied when you rise up from the ashes.

Originally posted by FissionChips:

In general Valheim is terrible at informing players. Raids is just another one of those things.

A bit off topic, but in the same vein:
I think there is also 0 mentioning of the trader? So if you are unlucky with his spawn points and don't look up stuff online you could miss him completely, or am I wrong?

Each map has 10 possible trader Haldor spawn locations, the only way to miss him is to never leave your starting island.

Originally posted by Complaintdesk:

Each map has 10 possible trader Haldor spawn locations, the only way to miss him is to never leave your starting island.

That's not true if you are unlucky and have a bad seed. In my very first run the next trader spawn point was literally at the other end of the world and I would have never found him if I didn't read out his location from the game files after wasting 2 real life weeks of trying to find him. It's possible that they added more spawn points after that and I never had such a bad seed again but I still find it a bit silly that there is no mention of him. Why not let Hugin or one of the runestones drop a hint?

Trenches are okay, but raised earthen walls are actually better. If you just have trenches, trolls can stand on the edge and slam rocks at you. Smash a bunch of stuff up.

You can created raised "walls" by using the hoe to add stone. it will stretch the bottom level of the map (the mesh) upward. If you stand in one spot, the ground will raise up farther and farther and leave perfectly smooth sides. They'll still be sloped a bit, but can almost get them straight up and down.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2760270389

and the shot below is of an attempt to make "merlons" on the wall. My character is standing on a sloping ramp in the corner of the walls.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2760270446

The merlons were functional, not decorative. I used them when attacked by ice drakes, so I could hide behind them to block their shots. Pop out and shoot back at them with a bow.

Personally, I believe there's a bug in the raid system. Be careful complaining about it, though, the community for this game takes poorly to any claims that there might be something broken with the difficulty.

I made a post a couple weeks ago about having something like 30 greydwarfs/shamans/brutes spawn in over the course of about 8 seconds (the length of time between seeing "The Forest Is Moving" and stepping out my front door, followed by getting stun-locked in my bed while they killed me repeatedly and destroyed my house), and got flamed so hard a mod locked the thread.

If you want to avoid waves of "git gud, scrub", just chalk it up to finding a bad spot in the code, and hope it doesn't happen again.

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

Personally, I believe there's a bug in the raid system. Be careful complaining about it, though, the community for this game takes poorly to any claims that there might be something broken with the difficulty.

I made a post a couple weeks ago about having something like 30 greydwarfs/shamans/brutes spawn in over the course of about 8 seconds (the length of time between seeing "The Forest Is Moving" and stepping out my front door, followed by getting stun-locked in my bed while they killed me repeatedly and destroyed my house), and got flamed so hard a mod locked the thread.

If you want to avoid waves of "git gud, scrub", just chalk it up to finding a bad spot in the code, and hope it doesn't happen again.

That's interesting. I have noticed recently that during the Hunt event I sometimes get a dozen wolves at once. I thought it was supposed to be like 4 or 5 simultaneously. I can dispose of them very easily but maybe there has been some changes to events yes.

Hey, got some good news for ya. I hear the devs are working on a difficulty setting for servers. There will defo be a toggle for skill loss on death, but there might be something in there for raids too. Its definitely been complained about in the past.

Originally posted by General_Strom:

I log on and my place is being ATTACKED by a whole group of swamp mobs while I am in the meadow lands FAR FROM ANY SWAMP. I have ZERO iron items and OLBY have tier 2 to 3 armor and weapons. When I logged off there were no !@#$# mobs attacking. I log in and I die over and over and over while they destroy my base that I spent hours building

IF you think this is fun your definition of the word is VERY @#$% different from mine.

Welcome to the game. Git gud.

Just kidding!

If the Elder in the seed on which you are playing has been killed then the swamp raids are triggered. If you've killed the Elder, you would have already have dealt with raids from the Black Forest ("The Forest is Moving") and you would have (should have) built some defences against that. If not, chalk this up to a learning experience. Get those fences up and trenches dug in! Then work on making your place look awesome.

If you're spending a lot of time at your base within range of work benches and/or beds, then you're more likely to trigger an event after about 45-ish minutes.

If you're on a dedicated server where people can come and go as they like - this is an issue with the server, not the game. Someone else has been playing, killed the bosses, and you have to deal with the fall-out from that in the form of raids which are probably too high a level for you to manage. It's one of the few downfalls of playing on a dedicated server that anyone can log into at whatever time that they like. The game was never really intended to be played like that. So it'll be a bit crap if you're low level or a new player.

Also, people can be right dkheads on servers and can (and will) spawn stuff in to mess with others.

This is not me defending the game or giving you grief, I'm just saying how it is. Not going to get into any arguments about how or why or if the game does this but it's been this way since day one and hasn't changed much since then.

Originally posted by Kitsune Dzelda:

... the devs are working on a difficulty setting for servers. There will defo be a toggle for skill loss on death ...

Source? Last I saw anything official they were working on levels e.g. easy/normal/hard, not individual settings - and that wasn't a guarantee, just what they were working on.

---

I've mentioned this before, it is possible to get to swamp raids without having had a raid yet. The event triggers are something like 20% chance every 46 minutes, nothing is guaranteed. Statistically the longer you play the more likely you are to have a raid, but your first raid could be eithyker rallying or the hoarde - so even on the off chance you actually notice the raven and can get to him to find out what the thing that already happened was about, that could be well after you should have learnt about it to prepare for the later harder raids.

In general Valheim is terrible at informing players. Raids is just another one of those things.

Originally posted by vinyblaster:

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

Personally, I believe there's a bug in the raid system. Be careful complaining about it, though, the community for this game takes poorly to any claims that there might be something broken with the difficulty.

I made a post a couple weeks ago about having something like 30 greydwarfs/shamans/brutes spawn in over the course of about 8 seconds (the length of time between seeing "The Forest Is Moving" and stepping out my front door, followed by getting stun-locked in my bed while they killed me repeatedly and destroyed my house), and got flamed so hard a mod locked the thread.

If you want to avoid waves of "git gud, scrub", just chalk it up to finding a bad spot in the code, and hope it doesn't happen again.

That's interesting. I have noticed recently that during the Hunt event I sometimes get a dozen wolves at once. I thought it was supposed to be like 4 or 5 simultaneously. I can dispose of them very easily but maybe there has been some changes to events yes.

According to the wiki its 6 at once max. From experience though, If you kill one during the raid timer a new one spawns.

During troll raids you can lead the trolls away from your base. If you exit the raid circle the raid timer pauses and when you enter the raid circle after killing the 2 that spawned 2 new ones will spawn when you re-enter the raid circle. You can actually farm enough troll hide in one raid to complete the troll set this way.

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

... I made a post a couple weeks ago ... and got flamed so hard a mod locked the thread. ...

Oof, even some of the comments left standing are a trip to read. Always amazes me people suggesting things that aren't possible yet in a players progression.

The worst situation I have had regarding invasions is when they begin as my character is in the process of entering sleep mode. This has not happened a lot maybe 6 times over the course of 5000 hours, but it has happened and imo it should not happen, a player should not be able to be in a situation where they can do absolutely nothing while their base is under attack. The majority of times the trigger occurs as my character is in the process of laying down, but it has happened twice after that point, when darkness has descended.

That's either a raid because you killed the Elder, or you're playing on a server and someone else sent them after you. Was there a big red circle on the mini map? Killing a boss unlocks raids for the next biome up.

Digging a trench around your entire base solves most raid problems until you get to the mountains.

Raids are so punishing for newer players they really need to make it so they can be disabled.. they have no clue as to what they are doing.. it's ridiculous..