Polonius Ulf replied to Solo Play and Game Development November 10, 2021 @ 8:06:05 am PST

Originally posted by MrFroglin:
Originally posted by Polonius Ulf:
If you had read what I posted, you would see that "if you like bugs" refers to opting in to the beta testing. It is not a snide comment, it is a compliment: unless you opt-in to the beta, you don't see many bugs. Get it?
I apologise for misunderstanding your phrasing: it came across (to me) as a statement that people joining the Early Access are being used for Beta Testing - generally, (in my experience anyway) the two things are different steps in the maturity of a product, so the implication (or possibly just my inference) was that Valheim is less "ready" than it actually is and was buggy - which sounded like trolling. Again, sorry for misunderstanding.

Originally posted by Polonius Ulf:
As to whether decimal version numbers are meant to provide an estimate of how far the devs think they are to 1.0, of course they are used that way.* But since it is an estimate it may happen that we get to version 0.6 something and suddenly jump to 1.0. Or not.
With version numbers that are 0.203.11 and 0.204.4 I would guess that the 203/204 are some form of "iteration" number, and the 11/4 are some form of "test build" or "release candidate" number for that iteration.
FWIW, the closest well-known (sort of) '%age complete" attempt was probably the Linux Kernel pre-1.0, but that was a demonstration of just why nobody should ever do it. It took 2 months to go from 0.01 to 0.10, 4 months to jump directly from 0.10 to 0.95, 9 months to get from 0.95 to 0.99, and 14 months to get from 0.99 to 1.0. A good demonstration of the "the last 10% takes 90% of the time". But also "good things are worth waiting for".

I'm sorry I invited you to take a leap. Now I see that you were valiantly defending Valheim. I didn't make it clear that It would make me happy if the devs—with four of nine biomes complete—were estimating they are about 20% of the way to a polished $49.95 product. That would leave time for pareto, Finagle, and maybe a little feature-creep.

The story of the Linux Kernel is interesting, but it doesn't illustrate that using part of the version number to convey a rough estimate of progress should never be done, it only illustrates that rough estimates are rough estimates. And yes, it illustrates pareto, and good things are worth waiting for.

So, neither of us is a troll, we both think Valheim is worth defending, and the game beckons. I just caught a troll in my moat for the first time. To celebrate, I went to the swamp and got killed.
6:13 pm, November 10, 2021
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