Originally posted by Dwarflord:

You can't even see the Gjall "just fine" WITH the wisplight. Much less without it.

I guess we can quibble about the definition of "just fine" in this case, but with or without the wisplight is essentially the same, since the range of the wisplight is very short. Unless it's right on top of you, you either shoot at the red glow, or you jump out of the mist. In any case, that's how I fight them, so it is possible.

The question of Yag is not if you can beat Yag, but if you want to beat Yag. Some of us want more of a challenge, so we're wondering if exploring ML without beating Yag is reasonable.

I suspect I'm going to do another no-bosses run in the near future to see how far I can get now that ML is out.